Thanks for all the replies and the multiple welcomes to the group, kind gentlemen.
A few things about myself that would make the 56 Sam vs 61 Hilsen debate clearer: My PBH is 88, but my overall height is about 5'10", so I've got the legs of a six-footer, but the torso of a shorter man apparently. I weigh an even 200, but with not a whole lot of fat, so I'm not ever going to lose more than 10 or 15 pounds, max. I occasionally, begrudgingly pull a trailer with 2 kids. (I love my daughters, but pulling a trailer makes cycling less than fun) I want to S240 more than I do, with mixed pavement rides. Think gravel, fire/logging roads through the state forests here in Indiana. My favorite rides are all day in southern Indiana "meandonneuring" among the hardwood forests and hills and forgotten roads. The above-listed points may have pigeon-holed me for the Sam I already own! I have a few things to do over the weekend apparently :) I will swap my stem out for the 12cm Technomic Deluxe that I already have. Then I'll build up a set of Noodles that I also already have with the 10cm Tallux stem that's currently on my A-bars. I'll try out both setups for awhile, one after the other. I am going to need a bulk box of shift/brake cables if I keep changing cockpits like this! Or has anyone used those DaVinci cable disconnects for making cockpit swaps quick and relatively painless? As far as wheels, I looked up rim weights on Peter White's website.. apparently the difference between Dyad rims and Synergies is negligible. As in, less than 10 grams. I had assumed the Dyad's would have been much heavier. Question on wheels - I have a set of excellent roadie wheels, but they are spaced 130mm at the rear. They're currently on the VO and shod with some Vittoria 32mm tires. Would it be ok to swap these over to the Sam for at least just a short ride? Throw some extra washers or locknuts on the axle of the road wheels and have less axle in the dropouts? I'm thinking of ordering a set of the new Compass Barlow Pass 700x38 tires. I don't want to open up the Riv vs Compass tire philosophy debate, but I will say this: The Hilsens that I rode that I loved the ride on had Jack Brown Greens on one and Pacenti Pari-Motos on the other. Not flat-protected tires that I've been riding on the Hillborne. So there's that. I suppose the goal I'm going for is to capture for my Hillborne whatever it was that I loved about the ride and responsiveness of the couple Hilsens I've ridden. Project Hilsen-ify the Hillborne? Tires and Bar tape are cheaper than new bikes... Avery On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Chris Chen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello from the Portland Chapter of Cockpit Changers Anonymous. > > Hi I'm Chris and I'm a Cockpit Changer. > > I've been with the same cockpit for two weeks now (waits for applause) > > Avery, it does seem that the Albas are pretty high up and close in; Before > trying other bars or bikes I'd definitely see about moving them a bit down > and out, and maybe tilting them a bit forward. When I had them tilted back > and high I felt like my quads were doing all the work and I fatigued > easily, even if for short distances it was, well, it was great fun! Also, > another list member and Portland riding buddy* once remarked that he never > got the hang of Albas and the B17, and rides on a B67 saddle, so your > mileage may vary. > > But to echo what others on this list have said, get a different stem and > maybe try Noodles, or the Albastache if you're so inclined. Sometimes it's > nice to feel "on top" of the bike which I think Albatrosses are good at, > and sometimes it feels nice to feel "in" the bike which is what Noodles and > Albastaches can get you. > > Just my two cents. (geez, more like two hundred dollars) > > cc > > *I never drop names, Zack > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Dan McNamara <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The 56 Sam has a pretty long theoretical TT - 59cm - actually the same >> listed TT as a 61 AHH. Going to a 63 AHH with an 88 PBH might be tough as >> the listed standover is 88.8, Not sure what tires that SO was measured with. >> >> Maybe a longer stem as a first stop. A 12cm might just do the trick. Or >> switching out the Albas for drops or the albastache bars. >> >> I think that bike looks pretty sharp and see no problems with the amount >> of seat post. >> >> >> Good luck dialing things in or with a new bike. >> >> Dan >> >> Marin, CA >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Joe Bernard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Of course, maybe Avery is just ready for a new Riv. I've been through >>> five of their wonderful bicycles and am currently "between Rivs", so I >>> certainly understand this process. Hey Avery, if you really want a new >>> Hilsen, *buy one!* >>> >>> Joe "a sage green Sam would be nice" Bernard >>> Vallejo, CA. >>> >>> On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 8:35:03 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote: >>> >>>> Avery, >>>> >>>> My PBH is 91.5 and I ride a 60cm Hillborne. I was fitted by Riv >>>> onsite. In all honesty I feel the frame is a touch too large, but I'm one >>>> of those long legged short torso kind'a guys; so it's not all about PBH. >>>> But regardless, I do not think, with a PBH of 88, you would've been happy >>>> on a 60cm Sam Hillborne. So I think you made the right choice at the time, >>>> if that makes you feel any better. >>>> >>>> If you feel the bike is too small I'd suggest replacing your Albatross >>>> bars with either Noodles or the new Albastache. Either of those should >>>> open things up for you. And in regards to performance I'd start with new >>>> tires. If that doesn't improve things enough than a new wheelset. And if >>>> after all that, you still are not happy, than purchase the appropriate size >>>> Homer frameset and transfer the new wheel set and handlebars of your >>>> choice. >>>> >>>> Matt >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 8:21:33 AM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Group! >>>>> >>>>> My name is Avery Wilson. I've chimed in on a few discussions over the >>>>> past year, but I've been reading the group pretty consistently for a year >>>>> or so. >>>>> >>>>> I currently have a 56cm Sam Hillborne (one of the blue headtube web >>>>> specials from last year). >>>>> >>>>> See a pic here <https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/>. >>>>> >>>>> I've been riding the bike since early last summer. I MOSTLY love it! >>>>> I love the comfort, the laid back geometry, the high bars, the >>>>> aesthetics, >>>>> etc. etc. However, I've been wondering if its too small for me. My PBH >>>>> of >>>>> 88 put me right in between the 56 and the 60cm, and as you can see from >>>>> the >>>>> picture, I've got an "immodest" amount of seatpost showing. :) >>>>> >>>>> If I replace it (advice solicited here!), I've been thinking of >>>>> getting an AHH, and effectively "combine" my Sam and another more roadish >>>>> (Velo Orange Randonneur that's too small for me as well) into one bike to >>>>> rule them all. The Homer seems more suited to the type of riding I do >>>>> anyway - all day rambles, quicker short road rides, occasional gravel, not >>>>> much dirt (I've got a sweet 29er for that), occasional S24O, but no real >>>>> touring. Double top tube Sam may be overkill anyway! >>>>> >>>>> It seems I would be in between a 61cm and a 63cm on the Hilsen if you >>>>> use the Saddle Height - 15-17cm method. Does anyone with a similar PBH >>>>> have any experience with 61-63cm AHH bikes? I feel like the 61 would be >>>>> great, but I want to avoid chickening out and getting another too-small >>>>> bike again, thus I consider the 63... >>>>> >>>>> General comments, questions, and observations are welcome! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Avery "first-time-new-topic-poster" Wilson >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/aMFNeEIH0Nc/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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