That seems like just enough space to me! I bet they measure 48mm wide with 
calipers, knowing that Schwalbe labels their tires larger than actual 
always. I'm psyched to get some Schwalbe touring fatties soon and will 
report! I've got a canti-mounted Sam, so may be different. 

On Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:02:24 PM UTC-8, hangtownmatt wrote:
>
> No worries Jim.   I'm actually surprised they fit as well as they do, but 
> I agree that 45's are probably more realistic.  Riv's spec, I believe is 
> 42, but I think they generally choose to error on the conservative side.  
> Thanks for posting the pictures.  I know this takes some effort and I want 
> you to know I appreciate your taking the time!
>
> Matt
>
> On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:21:16 PM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> CORRECTION: Upon closer observation, I'm going to take back what I said 
>> below on November 18. With 700x50 Big Bens on a 62 cm Sam Hillborne, the 
>> clearance is a bit too tight for comfort in my opinion even though the tire 
>> does spin. However, based on the fact that the 700x50's come close to 
>> fitting, I would certainly consider trying some 700x45's on the bike for 
>> dirt riding.
>>
>> Sorry for the confusion.
>>
>> - Jim W.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 8:16 PM, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just put some Big Ben 700 x 50's on my Hillborne, and they fit fine 
>> with no room for a fender. I don't have calipers so I don't know their 
>> actual size, but it is a great riding tire and certainly fits on the Sam. 
>> And this is a sidepull Sam.
>>
>> -Jim W.
>>
>> p.s. Man, the Sam is a great bike.
>>
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Mike S wrote:
>>
>> Well, based on my assumption that a Schwalbe Almotion 622-50 will 
>> actually be 48mm on a 23mm rim and that this can fit on my Sam, I think 
>> I'll go with this plan. Also, I re-read about my 60mm Berthoud fenders on 
>> Peter White's page and saw that he's found that 50 mm tires should fit no 
>> problem with these fenders! Randonneuring bike on steroids!
>>
>> Now it's just getting up the gumption to actually do the ride... 
>>
>> On Monday, November 17, 2014 10:33:31 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh! In that case check out the Panaracer Fire XC
>>>
>>> FIRE CROSS
>>> Cyclo-crossr
>>> The FireCross is based on the award winning Fire XC Pro tread. Designed 
>>> and tweaked for wide clearance cross frames and all 29” applications. Super 
>>> aggressive and confidence inspiring. Check your frame clearance to make 
>>> sure it will fit you bicycle!
>>> SIZESBEADETROTPIWEIGHT700 x 45c*Ara|Stl45-62260|34690|810g.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Mike S <mikesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm on 700C wheels and they currently have studded tires entrenched for 
>>>> the duration. I also order my Schwalbe rubber from a German retailer, so 
>>>> it 
>>>> takes some commitment. The Cazaderos do sound great too, especially if I 
>>>> could keep my ultrawide Berthoud fenders on with them. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 17, 2014 10:19:00 PM UTC-8, Christopher Chen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait, I don't understand why you don't just try a pair. Yours is the 
>>>>> 650B sam right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Mike S <mikesh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahh, sad to see that my hopes for the Thunder Burts on Sam Hill are 
>>>>>> doomed. I was just looking around at Schwalbe tires and it seems like 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> 622-47 Mondial might be an ideal choice for my purpose. I think beefed 
>>>>>> out 
>>>>>> Ogre is in my future when I'm no longer enduring my vow of poverty (grad 
>>>>>> school), but this might be a good way to go for pushing the ruggedness 
>>>>>> limit on a Sam. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, November 17, 2014 9:40:07 PM UTC-8, Mike Schiller wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never seen a Sam that can fit actual 50 mm wide tires.  
>>>>>>> Certainly 45's.  BTW... the Thunder Burts measure out at 51 mm on 24mm 
>>>>>>> wide 
>>>>>>> rims.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as another bike... there is the used market.  I've seen used 
>>>>>>> Fargos in the price range of that Jamis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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