I dig your firebox Deac - really nice.  

On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 10:31:36 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Here's the firebox I use:
> http://www.fireboxstove.com/5-inch-folding-firebox
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Ooohhhh.... I'm going to have to try that one day!
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Deacon Patrick <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very exacting technique is required to boil water in a KK:
>>>
>>> 1. fill water into brushed stainless bottle.
>>> 2. place bottle on or above heat source (try this at home kids!)
>>> 3. wait for it to boil
>>> 4. use gloves or pot holder (tangier works well) to prevent cooking your 
>>> hands when removing bottle.
>>> 5. prepare favorite hit beverage for yourself and all your friends.
>>> 6. allow the warmth of the sun stored in the fuel you burned to warm you 
>>> as you sip your favorite hot beverage.
>>>
>>> Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:04:13 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can you elaborate on this?
>>>>
>>>> "I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting to the 
>>>> conversion now."
>>>>
>>>> Is there something special you've got to do to use a K.K. as a pot? 
>>>>
>>>> I doubt you'd ever torque the bottle mounts off. You could definitely 
>>>> break a bottle cage though. The straps/velcro seem like a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Deacon Patrick <[email protected]> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Mark. Yes, I'd be using the brushed stainless uninsulated 
>>>>> bottle as my pot. I've had this as a plan for years and am just getting 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> the conversion now. For the mug, I'd just be drinking out of the 
>>>>> insulated 
>>>>> metal bottle (removing the standard top). I'd be getting the sport top 
>>>>> for 
>>>>> the two uninsulated 28 oz. bottles.
>>>>>
>>>>> My main concern with the 40 or 64 oz. bottles (I'm thinking the 64 
>>>>> will fit just in front of the rear tire on/behind the seat post tube.) is 
>>>>> the weight torquing the bottle mounts off, even with additional straps. 
>>>>> That's what I like about the velcro option is that with rubber tubing 
>>>>> under 
>>>>> it is should be fairly stable, but also not have a frame welded failure 
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>> With abandon,
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 8:30:25 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use both these on a daily basis, have been for about six months 
>>>>>> straight now. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the 27oz/800ml for water. Never tried using it for boiling. Am 
>>>>>> I understanding you correctly that you would use the actual bottle as 
>>>>>> your 
>>>>>> boiling pot? I Couldn't do that as I have painted/colored bottles. 
>>>>>> That'd 
>>>>>> get nasty. I suppose with the unpainted ones you could probably do that, 
>>>>>> provided you had some thick gloves to pick it up. Anyway, no complaints. 
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> love them actually. Drinking water from a wide-mouth bottle is 
>>>>>> delightful 
>>>>>> after squeezing water through a spout.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use the insulated ones as coffee mugs. Klean Kanteen makes a 
>>>>>> HORRIBLE coffee lid which will turn it into a nice mug. I say horrible 
>>>>>> because it is in no way close to leak proof. Just walking around with it 
>>>>>> can cause leaks. But if you're just sitting around having a cup, no 
>>>>>> problem. I'm sipping coffee from one as I type actually. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They come with a 'normal' lid, which is great and 100% leak proof. I 
>>>>>> can keep my coffee hot for 8 hours with that lid. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did experience an odd after-taste with the insulated ones, which 
>>>>>> lasted for about two weeks. It's totally gone now. A few good scrubs and 
>>>>>> a 
>>>>>> lot of coffee cured it of that. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've yet to try the larger size un-insulated, but plan on buying one 
>>>>>> to store under the down-tube in the third bottle cage of my Atlantis. I 
>>>>>> think Velo Orange just released a new cage for these. I've seen photos 
>>>>>> of 
>>>>>> other people fitting these bottles down there, should work. 
>>>>>> Alternatively 
>>>>>> you could just keep it in your saddle bag, or strap some cages to your 
>>>>>> fork 
>>>>>> legs, like how the Salsa Fargo's, Pugsleys, etc have. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 25, 2015 at 9:08:39 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your experience with insulated/uninsulated Klean Kanteen 
>>>>>>> bottles. Has anyone used the insulated as a camping mug? Used the 
>>>>>>> single-walled one as your water boiling pot? Carried a 40 or 64 oz one 
>>>>>>> in 
>>>>>>> the velcro on/Irish strap secured cage manner?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More details:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am now converting to using Klean Kanteen bottles (from the “glass” 
>>>>>>> lined things Specialized makes) after 2/3rd of my bottles popped out of 
>>>>>>> my 
>>>>>>> standard cages last fall and I need to replace then anyway, as well as 
>>>>>>> hearing the reports from folks here of how much better Iris cages hold 
>>>>>>> bottles on trails, washboard, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Between insulated and single-walled, and the larger bottles there 
>>>>>>> seem to be some great options for various uses., I’m thinking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) insulated 20 oz. bottle: mostly to help keep things cool in 
>>>>>>> summer (I drink very little when it’s below freezing, and so seldom 
>>>>>>> that it 
>>>>>>> would be frozen anyway on a longer ride, without being inside my 
>>>>>>> jacket. 
>>>>>>> Also as my coffee/tea mug when bikepacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) uninsulated 28 oz. bottle: for daily ride increased volume of 
>>>>>>> capacity, and for boiling water over the firebox when bikepacking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) uninsulated 40 or 64 oz. with velcro on cage using Irish straps 
>>>>>>> to secure it for bikepacking and extra water capacity. Suggestions on 
>>>>>>> wear 
>>>>>>> to strap this beastie?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the Hunqapillar, this gives me up to 76 oz. for daily rides, 140 
>>>>>>> oz. capacity for bikepacking (plus a 100 oz bladder if needed, but it’s 
>>>>>>> hard to use and tastes plasticy.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts, suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With abandon,
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
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