I had an '85 Trek 650. Stays for days. I'm scrounging for a photo right
now, but I can't lay my hands on one. I do believe that with a wheelbase
*that* long, there may have been some slight compromise in handling. But
nothing significant. And it was a joy to ride with rear panniers mounted,
especially with my enormous feet. ISTRC that one problem I ran into was
finding sufficiently long chains when I ran it as a derailer setup (I
ultimately settled on using a wheel with an AW 3-speed IG hub).
On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 3:26:56 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Interesting post. I heard tell that Jobst would tell the builder, "Don't
> cut anything off of the stays." At any rate, I *tend* to agree with Grant
> (don't know enough about frames to say with certainty), but my own
> experience, such as it is, makes me so tend.
>
> My 2 Riv Road customs have 44.5 cm stays -- measured to center of
> horizontals -- actually, I think Chauncey has added another cm or so to the
> rear: he's waiting for dropouts from England. At any rate, this is the same
> length as the massively long stays on the Fargo (where I can run 50s actual
> with PB 60s and an inch of air in between, all 'round).
>
> The point, and it's one Grant seems to have missed, is that *long stays
> do not -- *repeat, *DO NOT* -- *compromise quick handling.* I must
> clarify. My 2 Rivs turn in noticeably faster than did the Ram (that's one
> reason I sold the Ram, tho' the Ram was pleasant; just slightly slower that
> I wanted in a road bike). The customs, while being almost as stable as the
> Ram in the straight ("almost:" I think the heavier, larger wheels of the
> Ram affect things), they turn in with exquisite compliance: no hesitation
> at all, while not at all being "twitchy". Quick but seamless.
>
> I'm sure that the short and light wheels affect this too, but on these 2
> bikes Grant managed to capture what, for me at least, is a kind of ideal
> mix of steadiness and quickness -- and, back to the point: this is done
> despite what, by modern standards, are hugely long stays. (The Roadeo has
> 43 cm stays, IIRC.)
>
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