Further derailment and all that...  I've ridden Parigi-Roubaix for as long 
as Will, as well as Eroica/Strada Bianca the past 3-4yrs. Not nearly as 
many miles as Will, but I also never had even a whiff of tread 
delamination. However, my first/only pair of Alamanzo started getting edge 
peels after only a few trail rides. The same trails that never bothered the 
PR/SB/Eroica, BTW, it's not like I suddenly started doing endos and epic 
hucking (did I get that terminology right?) due to the presence of 
quasi-knobby tread. Too small a sample for me to conjecture the Alamanzo 
are more problematical than the smooth-tread tires, but it does put me in 
the camp that has first-hand experience with Challenge tire tread 
delamination. That I seem to hear about it more in a CX context, likely on 
Alamanzo tires, makes me go hmmmm....

Back on topic, these new super-duper Soma tires haven't appeared on Soma's 
website yet, at least as far as I can browse. Are my pitiful browsing 
skills letting me down again, or are we still waiting? Anywhere I can find 
actual specs and stuff?

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA  

On Sunday, October 11, 2015 at 4:04:14 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Ron,
>
> veering off-topic, but I've gone through thirty-five Parigi-Roubaix, 
> Strada Blanca, and Eroica tires since 2008. None have delaminated. Their 
> older (tubulars) had problems occasionally, as did Clement, FMB, and 
> (rarely) Vittoria tubulars.
>
> Best,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
>
> On Saturday, October 10, 2015 at 6:19:38 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Don't want to derail the thread, and I've heard the Challenge complaints 
>> in 3 forums, but have never experienced the problem with Challenge tires on 
>> (and off) 5 bikes for up to 7 years and well over 10,000 miles.  Also 
>> Vittoria hand-glued tires, which are great, but have short rubber life.  
>>
>> On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 12:37:55 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd be wary of hand glued. I"ve had at least 10 pairs of challenge CX 
>>> tires and most of them had the tread peel off the casing in short order. 
>>> Being active in the CX scene here, I've seen MANY other challenge tires 
>>> fail from the tread coming off. Some times on the first ride. That might be 
>>> a Challenge QC issue more so than the notion of hand-glued, but either way 
>>> makes me nervous. I've never had any other tire do that. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 9, 2015 at 12:33:34 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the Challenge are also hand-glued tires.  I'm thinking the Somas will 
>>>> be vulcanized tires with fine casings.  If they're hand-glued, they would 
>>>> be pretty amazing tires, IMO.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>

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