I know that this is something to be aware of, and perhaps, in certain
circumstances, to be afraid of, but the man (older -- well, mid '30s --
with many years of wrenching) who did my conversion took a quite
conservative approach, and I am confident that he would not have proceeded
unless the setup was safe. Said fellow refused to convert my Elk Passes
onto Sun M14A rims for this very reason -- he installed Stan's tape,
installed the EPs, pumped them up, and shoved the wheel into my hand. He
said, in effect, taka lookat this. I did; and just a wee bit of thumb
pressure broke the bead/rim wall seal and the air rushed out. The Kojak
bead/rimwall seal was much different.

Therefore, I am confident that, as long as I maintain sufficient pressure
in the tires, I need not fear "burping" or sudden air loss due to unsealed
beads.

If that were all involved, I'd be drunk and happy. But my anxiety extends
beyond this to niggling matters of daily maintenance: I don't want a setup
were I have to religiously monitor my air pressure. Or, I might apostasize
and accept this situation, but if I do, I'll buy a compressor.

Anyway: What I seeks is a tubeless setup that not only is safe, but a setup
where the mechanical interaction of bead and rim wall, aided by sealant, is
sufficient to keep the bead securely in place, be the air pressure what it
may. That is, a mechanical interface that provides an airtight seal even if
the pressure in the tire is reduced to ambient pressure.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've talked to (online, anyway) a tandem captain who had that happen.
>
> On 11/07/2015 07:07 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> O Gawd. Talk to the 2 experienced mechanics about the likelihood of that
> happening.
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sure no experienced mechanic would be in favor of having a
>> tire come entirely off the rim on a fast downhill after a puncture, or
>> would think that a good  learning experience.
>>
>> On 11/07/2015 05:25 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> You opinion against that of 2 very experienced mechanics.
>>
>> The downside I see is rather the need to continually monitor the tire
>> pressure, as it seems to be air pressure alone, and not bead-to-wall
>> interaction, that keeps the bead where it should be.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Steve Palincsar < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 11/07/2015 04:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting experience! I've built my own bikes since late 1970 -- this
>>>> after several years already of modifying bikes -- and over the years I've
>>>> very often found myself learning the very hard way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think in this case "learning the very hard way" would most likely
>>> involve a puncture on a fast downhill and the tire coming entirely off the
>>> rim, and I'm pretty sure you really wouldn't want to learn anything that
>>> way.
>>>
>>>
>>
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