II would disagree with this statement if it is in earnest. I don't think 
anyone needs me to point out that one big *raison d'**ĂȘtre* of Rivendell is 
to fill a need for bicycles not constricted by frames that don't allow for 
raising the handlebars to a comfortable height. Other limitations would 
include the inability to fit wider tires or easily accommodate fenders and 
racks. Self understanding may be overrated in some cases. I'm pretty sure 
it will not contribute much to keeping my bum comfy on 23mm tires while 
bent over double and bouncing along the poorly maintained roads in my neck 
of the woods. Never mind Zen, I've got a Clementine coming in the mail one 
day soon. Yay!

On Friday, November 13, 2015 at 10:29:52 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
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> iamkeith ,
>   
>      There are no limitations/exclusions to Riv or any other brand of 
> frame/bike .  Any "sense" of limitation is not of the frame, brand or 
> designer, it's only within one's self understanding .  
>
>
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