FWIW, I sense you don't really need another bike but for whatever
reason only you know you feel compelled to buy what you do not really need.
That is nothing personal .
"Everyone should have 15 bikes" , or XX whatever . More more more , more
is "better" . And yet , ask most anyone a favorite time of life, riding or
whatever, and it is invariably moments of pure simplicity and singularity .
In these moments everything is perfect , like the most beautiful song,
where each note is seen for what is truly is, The Song itself. No matter
what is heard you hear nothing but The Song.
Bikes do not make The Ride any more than notes make The Song. The Song
includes all the notes inherently and so does The Ride include the bike and
everything of it.
cheers !
On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 12:45:55 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Actually, I'm really attracted to the Cheviott. If it took a wider tire,
> I'd be all over it. You might have heard me describe it this way before,
> but I believe I actually ride a mixte as my main mountain bike - a Jones
> Spaceframe. For some reason, the Clementine - which would actually work -
> just doesn't do it for me though. (It'll probably grow on me over time,
> and I'll live to regret not getting one.) So maybe I am a bit particular
> after all. Because of where I live and ride, I don't think the insistence
> on a fatter tire is unreasonable at all though.
>
> Again you are correct - there are no shortcomings to any of the Riv
> models, as long as they fit properly. The challenge for me is finding
> something that isn't too redundant to what I already have, so that I'll
> actually have compelling reasons to choose it from time to time.
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 10:21:47 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Being just for the heckuvit , add to your frames for comparison the
>> 62cm Betty and Cheviot . I take it you are not interested in a
>> step-thru(but there is no concern about dismounting offroad though!), but
>> you can see how easy it is to increase reach and f-c by tweaking the angles
>> and rake. Yes, increased HTA decreases reach compared to a steeper angle
>> given a same TT length, the key obviously is simply increase TT to
>> compensate for a shallower angle and you can have any reach you want with a
>> shallower HTA.
>>
>> No matter what I have said and proposed or what anyone has proposed, I'm
>> simply getting to the absolute of here : *there are no limits . *You can
>> look at other Riv models and lament what's wrong for you and missing this
>> or that model or configuration but what good does that do ? *Zeeeero !
>> *Do you drive your car looking through the rear view mirrors ? Do you
>> want to eat food you've already eaten ? Of course not ! Full speed ahead,
>> right where you are.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 10:59:23 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> You're right - a 56 bombadil would work. Yet another opportunity I let
>>> slip by, while I was waiting for the Clem, was Bill's orange twin top tube
>>> frame that he sold - but those don't really have enough clearance anyway.
>>> A new, built-to-order one starts to get toward custom price territory, so
>>> you're right also that its just as good as a starting-point template for
>>> something else, with 700c wheels and a little more relaxed ride quality.
>>> I'm coming to terms with the fact that I'll likely need to go this route.
>>> The hard part is that I really don't feel like I'm super-particular about
>>> my needs, and don't want something that's way "out there." I just want my
>>> size. A 56 Hunquapillar or, better yet - a 56 Clem, would be just
>>> perfect!
>>>
>>> The Sam, which the Joe is based on, used to come in a 56, too. But from
>>> this exercise, I figured out what most of you probably already knew - that
>>> the Joe is not really intended to be a relaxed townish/mountainish bike, in
>>> the spirit of the mystery appaloosa or clem long bikes - despite the long
>>> chainstays. I mostly wanted to share the diagrams in case it was helpful
>>> for anybody else with these same kind of questions.
>>>
>>> (BTW, the diagrams do reflect the accurate seat and head tube angles -
>>> it's just hard to see on the screen shot. The only "guesses" are the angle
>>> of the downtube (which doesn't affect anything for this purpose) and how
>>> far the head tube extends above the intersection with the top tube.
>>> Everything else comes right from the geometry charts, and all jives
>>> perfectly. Also,I think that the way front-center is defined here, and
>>> works with the rest of these numbers, is as measured from the bottom
>>> bracket to the front axle. I was thinking the same thing as you until I
>>> actually drew these, but THAT is the key number that really affects toe
>>> clearance. Then, starting *there*, a slacker headtube just brings the
>>> handlebars back toward the rider at the top (decreases "reach" ). Oh...
>>> it occurred to me that for apples-to-apples comparison I should have used
>>> the 62 Atlantis, but its easy enough to extrapolate.)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 6:25:56 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A 56cm Bombadil may work for you , there are always used ones
>>>> available somewhere . Or use it as rough template for a custom , like make
>>>> the stays longer and have the tire clearance increased etc. and etc. Note
>>>> a
>>>> slacker 70.5 HT angle = more front-center/toe clearance .
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-bomba.htm
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/edit#gid=0
>>>>
>>>> (man, google drive/docs/plus/whatever_its_called_dejour is so damn
>>>> confusing !)
>>>>
>>>> Also, your diagrams do not take into account the different ST and HT
>>>> angles in the models ! You must take these into account as even a half
>>>> degree makes a notable difference in multiple ways.
>>>>
>>>
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