Thanks folks. As usual, this list answers all. 

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 5:20:08 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Daniel, it's stated here on the geometry chart found on the Frames & Bikes 
> main page. It has become an assumed measurement in the industry because so 
> many frames have upsloping tubes now. No one cares what the actual 
> measurement is because it doesn't answer the question being asked. We need 
> to know virtual tt lengths.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfiN1kOxVrthdc6eScUF9fP5n-BvRBILbBMYiEg5LM4/htmlview
>

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