Yes, I was making the distinction between seeing the ends of the bar move 
vs seeing the bar itself bending.  You made it sound like you can see the 
bend in the bar, like the curve in a fishing rod when there's a fish on.  

Anyway, for context, I just pulled my road bike out of the bike locker here 
at the office.  Heat Treated Nitto Noodles 46cm and a Nitto Pearl 11 stem. 
 I grabbed the brakelever hoods and pushed down hard and let the bars flex 
back up when I unload it.  I'd estimate the amplitude of flexy travel at 
the brakelevers is about 10-15mm.  Definitely less than an inch, definitely 
about half an inch.  I would call that "normal".  I would not call that 
"rock solid", but I don't think it's dramatically different from the amount 
of flex I see in the Albatross cockpit that I have on another bike.  

Next I grab both brakelevers and do kind of a swimming motion: pull on this 
lever push on that one and roll it.  Again, I'd say it's about +/-1cm of 
flexiness.  Since your stem is longer than mine in extension, yours should 
flex even more.  Since your stem has a longer vertical extension than mine, 
it should flex more.  Since your bars are wider, it should flex more. 
 Since your bar ends are farther behind the axis of the clamp, yours should 
probably flex more.  But, since you say your Albatross bars are "rock 
solid" in comparison, then I don't know what to say.  I don't know if 'rock 
solid' means no discernible flex at all, or if it feels in the neighborhood 
of the ~1cm flex on my bike, or something else.  

Maybe since you don't have your Chocos fully installed, you should put them 
on a bike with an arbitrarily stiff mountain bike stem, and separate out 
the bar flex part from the stem flex part.  

I don't know how much flex is too much.  I guess if it were me and it was a 
lot more than one inch of flex, maybe that would freak me out.  If you 
think the flex is going to make you afraid to ride your bike the ways you 
want to ride it, then that's too much for you.  Flex doesn't mean it's 
going to break, of course.  Lot's of stiff things break, and lots of flexy 
things don't break.  I wish I could reach through the monitor to feel your 
setup.  

On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> Hey bill,
> No grips on the bars yet. And I can definitely see flex. If I had someone 
> here to help, they could measure while I push down. There is a quite 
> visible spring up movement when I remove weight.
>
> Tried the same level of push on my wife's albatrossed bike + 12cm Tallux 
> and with a 11cm Tallux + map ahearne bars and there is basically zero give. 
> Rock solid. However, 13cm tallux+choco=bouncy. 
>
> Not sure if it's necessarily a bad thing since I've never experienced this 
> flexy of a cockpit. It's almost to the point where part of me wonders if 
> either the bars or the stem are defective, which is why i put it to the 
> group for some context. 
>
>

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