Thanks all for the suggestions and insights! Will keep you posted on the changes/adjustments I make and their effects.
René On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > I can't speak about Nitto racks, but even the 11 oz Tubus Fly is so rigid > that it doesn't sway under 40 lb, and even light-tubed bikes carry heavy > rear loads very well with it. I daresay that the Cargo, for example, would > do even better wrt sway. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 4:30 PM, dougP <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Before I put a 40 mm trail fork on my Atlantis, it would sometimes shimmy >> with a rear load. I messed with it quite a bit & found that with about 60% >> of the weight up front it was much more stable. This was with a Nitto BBR >> and a cheap aluminum front low rider. With the low trail fork and a roller >> bearing headset, it's much less sensitive to weight location. The odd >> shimmy could occasionally happen with only a rear load. >> >> I'm going to state a bit of heresy here but IMHO the Nitto design could >> use some improvement in the area of lateral stiffness. It's structurally a >> box, with no lateral triangulation. View a Nitto from the rear and any >> Tubus rack. Tubus has a triangle that increases the lateral stiffness. >> >> With a Tubus Duo on the front and Cosmo on the rear, my Atlantis is not >> too sensitive to front / rear weight distribution. My preference still >> front loading. >> >> I still think the aesthetics of Nitto's products are gorgeous, and the >> finish is fantastic. Tubus stuff looks industrial and busy. Just my >> experience & opinions; not trying to start a rack war. >> >> dougP >> >> On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 10:42:29 AM UTC-8, René wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm quite puzzled by an experience I had yesterday on my commute with >>> the Atlantis. It was configured with my medium Shopsack filled with the >>> usual tools, camera, jeans on the front basket on Nitto mini and on the >>> back I had a new configuration with the Nitto Big Back rack (I had a >>> smaller R15 previously to support the medium Saddlesack) and two Ortlieb >>> Commuter bags where I had my laptop in a thick leather padded sleeve, a >>> rain jacket and a couple of clothing items. >>> >>> As someone else noted, the Nitto Big Back rack for 700c large bikes >>> pushes the bags quite rearward. After selling the Hunqapillar, I decided to >>> configure the Atlantis for full loaded capabilities, which is why I removed >>> the R-15 and replaced it with the BBR. BTW, I never tried carrying the >>> Ortlieb Commuter bags on the R15, even though it supports carrying panniers >>> on it. >>> >>> On the morning 15.5 mile ride to work, everything was well and on the >>> short climbs out of the underpasses on the Guadalupe trail, I was climbing >>> standing up and feeling very good and strong. I've always had a hard time >>> standing to pedal, but I guess as I'm riding more, the legs are getting >>> stronger and this was the first time I noticed I felt strong climbing >>> standing up. It's not for long, but long enough where in the past, my legs >>> would stiffen up and my pedaling would be all jerky with noticeable stops >>> at the bottom of the stroke. This time if felt quite smooth and powerful. >>> >>> On the way back, as it was warmer, I had a few more clothing items on >>> the rear bags plus a few spare parts (shifters) I had ordered and received. >>> It didn't seem a lot to me. On the ride back to catch the train in San >>> Jose, all of a sudden, when standing to climb standing out of the >>> underpasses, the bike started shimmying terribly to the point that I >>> thought I had a flat tire or the rear wheel had tacoed, but the wheel was >>> all true and fine. Then I noticed that even while pedaling @ 14 - 16mph, >>> the bike wanted to shimmy and if I took my hands off the handlebar or took >>> one off to drink water, for example, it would start the shimmy. Note that >>> this is riding flat terrain or climbing out of the saddle. Thinking back to >>> the morning ride, I realized that I had noticed a light shimmy tendency >>> when removing one hand from the handlebar to drink water or shift (downtube >>> shifters) and had the same experience during the weekend when riding the >>> Homer with its load (lock, vest and tools) in the Acorn saddlebag. At the >>> time, I attributed it to my lack of finesse when shifting and holding on to >>> the bar with one hand. >>> >>> I'm going to see if removing the rear bags eliminates this, or if a >>> heavier rear load enhances it. I'm also going to place the front load lower >>> on low riders/panniers to see how that affects the handling. >>> >>> However, I'm quite puzzled and was wondering if there was any feedback >>> from anyone else who has experienced this when climbing standing. Note the >>> Atlantis has the low trail fork but the Homer doesn't. And I not >>> experienced any shimmy on the Atlantis with front loads and no rear loads >>> of significance, except for the tools in the small Saddlesack. >>> >>> Thanks for any suggestions or feedback! >>> >>> René >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten > ************************************************************************** > ************** > *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a > circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities > revolve. *Chuang Tzu > > *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the > world revolves.) *Carthusian motto > > *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart > > *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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