> (BTW, I'm cringing at the idea of installing one of these heavy/draggy/
> hard-to-fix hubs on a fine bicycle like a Rambouillet, which will
> require strange cable routing, a chain tensioner, etc. I have worked
> on and ridden MANY of these, and still don't fully understand the
> appeal for most bikes... What the heck is wrong with modern
> derailleurs?)

I can see the point with a retrofit of a bike designed for derailers.
On a custom with an EBB and cable routing planned, an IGH allows for a
clean look.  And if the rider ultimately sours on the IGH, the EBB
allows a relatively painless switch to single speed.

If you have more than one bike - I have three - it is interesting for
some people anyway to try different approaches.  Others may prefer to
have multiple variations on a theme.  More power to them.  I prefer
variety.

On Dec 6, 12:38 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "using an 8spd bar end shifter with a travel agent was in vogue for a
> while - it actually works great."
>
> It does not, in fact, work great, but some may find it adequate. We
> set one up awhile back, and it shifted, but the shifts were not exact.
> It could be tweaked to shift better at one end or the other of the
> gear range, but there was always some compromise. Friction-mode
> "seemed" fine, but I have no idea how it would work in the long run.
> At minimum, I suspect it voids the hub warranty. Jay at Jtek explained
> to me that Alfine/Nexus shift stops are not uniformly spaced, while
> standard indexed bar-end shifter have uniform cable pull from one gear
> to the next (regardless of whether you use a travel agent). At best,
> the travel agent set-up hits the gear more or less correctly "on
> average".  Anyway, I concluded that it was a fun experiment, but that
> I would never sell this set-up/kludge to a customer.
>
> (BTW, I'm cringing at the idea of installing one of these heavy/draggy/
> hard-to-fix hubs on a fine bicycle like a Rambouillet, which will
> require strange cable routing, a chain tensioner, etc. I have worked
> on and ridden MANY of these, and still don't fully understand the
> appeal for most bikes... What the heck is wrong with modern
> derailleurs?)
>
> On Dec 6, 11:25 am, Patrick in VT <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 6, 12:14 pm, Sarah Gibson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > ok this is only my experience
> > > but at acme
> > > we tried every single possible 8 speed or friction shifter
> > > (btw-the shimano bar ends all have friction mode....)
> > > for use with internally geared hubs
> > > with little success of quality shifting
>
> > using an 8spd bar end shifter with a travel agent was in vogue for a
> > while - it actually works great.  i know a fella who's been running
> > this set-up for about 3 years with no problems.

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