> AFAIK, there are forward-facing horizontal drop-outs, and rear-facing 
> horizontal dropouts.

But then you either have to type in the rather awkward 'forward-facing
or rear-facing' descriptive or be completely confusing.  The two are
quite different.  A forward facing horizontal drop out is meant for
derailers.  Whatever you want to call the rear facing thingy, it is
not.

On Dec 11, 12:30 pm, newenglandbike <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 12:47 pm, JoelMatthews <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Don't know if many of you folks have seen this yet, but there is a 
> > > Bombadil frame set for sale on the Bay with HORIZONTAL drop outs!  Very 
> > > interesting.
>
> > I thought those were called track fork ends.
>
> > Horizontal dropouts are those such as the Campy 1010 that you find on
> > traditional steel road race bikes.
>
> They look a lot like the drop-outs on my BMX bike, which certainly
> aren't 'track fork ends' :)    Why call them track-ends here?   Plus,
> they *are* horizontal, right?    AFAIK, there are forward-facing
> horizontal drop-outs, and rear-facing horizontal dropouts.

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