My comparison is more of a quick impression than any sort of extended 
experience with the two. I just had that same sensation spinning around 
parking lot/gravel, combining a set-back saddle position with swept-back 
bars set relatively high and far away. Is that the "in the bike" vs. "on 
the bike" feeling? Like a cruiser but with responsive handling? I don't 
know - I'm new to all this. I'm looking forward to playing with the Clem to 
see how it works. Certainly interested in other peoples' experiences!

/Jeremy

On Saturday, May 7, 2016 at 10:19:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Is this the consensus among Clem owners who have ridden the Jones? I'd be 
> interested to hear more about how they compare.
>
> In other news: 11:15 pm, and I've just put the finishing touches on the 
> new Matthews. All well, except that Chauncey, with his focus on fat bikes, 
> made the stays so wide that the X2D-cum-108 Phil don't work; even a 113 is 
> far too short -- I need a 120 or so.
>
> If anyone has a *Phil* 120 bb assembly or, alternatively, just the *Phil* 
> spindle, 
> and wants to trade for ditto on 108 or 113, please get in touch.
>
> Back to Clem: I particularly am interested in how it does on dirt; not 
> necessarily tight, technical singletrack, which I don't like anyway, but on 
> dirt roads and doubletrack -- compared to the Jones, and compared to your 
> standard mountain bike.
>
> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Jeremy Tavan <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks very much to Chris. I am delighted to give this bike a new 
>> home. This is a really neat bike. Reminds me a little bit of the Jones I 
>> test rode briefly a while back - just a little scaled back. Clem Jones Jr? 
>>
>>

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