Not to hijack this thread or anything, Rene, but was just wondering who is building your new 650B custom...inquiring minds want to know
On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:41:30 AM UTC-5, René wrote: > > Hi Brian, > > That gear combo offers the widest range, while still complying with the > maximum 16 tooth difference between the rings. I'll have to see how it > goes, and whether I find any need to fine tune the setup, perhaps to a > 26/40, 24/38 or 24/40. > > René > > On Sunday, May 29, 2016, Tim Butterfield <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> René, >> Thanks for that information. That René Herse crankset sure looks nice. >> What you described is kind of like this: >> >> >> http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS&KB=26,42&RZ=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36&UF=2200&TF=90&SL=2.6&UN=MPH >> >> Is this right? From what Steve had mentioned before, I interpreted (or >> misinterpreted) something like this as being too large of a jump between >> chainrings. Is the 26/42 not too wide of a gap? For some reason, I >> thought they should be closer together. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Tim >> >> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:17 PM, René Sterental <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I still have a hard time understanding all these gearing calculations, >>> so here is what works for me, FWIW: >>> - On my stock triple Sugino crankset provided Homer and Atlantis, I've >>> gone to the 12-36 9 speed cassette and never use the large 46 ring, except >>> on downhills. On the Betty stock 26/40 crankset with the 650b 38mm tires, I >>> have a 9 speed 12-34 and that has been perfect for all the hills around >>> Palo Alto. Therefore, I modified the Hunqapillar after it's conversion to >>> low trail with a 24/38 crankset that proved to be "perfect for me" and I >>> loved the down tube shifting for just two rings on the front, vs. having to >>> always look down to position the FD correctly for the middle ring on the >>> triple setups. That's why I'm about to switch that crankset to the >>> Atlantis. Since the Homer is going to go to my son, so it stays in the >>> family, for now at least, I'll leave it as is, with the triple and the >>> 12-36. My son will use the large front ring a lot more than I will, at >>> least until I lose the remaining 40+ lbs. >>> >>> On my upcoming 650b custom, I chose to go 2x10 with a 26/42 René Herse >>> crankset and 11-36 in the back. The Betty was very influential in choosing >>> this setup. >>> >>> On my Bike Friday, I have just removed the Shimano triple (Tiagra) and >>> switched to a 2x10 setup: René Herse 36/52 with 11/36 in the back. I'm >>> still playing with this setup as there is a bit of rubbing when pedaling >>> with the chain on the large ring between the chain and the derailleur. I >>> believe the ring is flat, so the flex comes from the flexible frame, but I >>> have yet to troubleshoot it. There was no rubbing with the 9 speed triple, >>> so more investigation is needed. BTW, the RH crankset and rings are just >>> really beautiful and well made. Perhaps one will make it to the Atlantis as >>> well. I like the design, the principles behind it and the fact I can get >>> any ring combination I may ever want. And so far, I think the 171 crank >>> length is really suited for my higher cadence pedaling style, as well as >>> how I have been positioning myself on the bike. >>> >>> René (still confused about gearing ratios but loving it!) >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, May 29, 2016, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I should have added that one purpose of my gearing setups is to limit >>>> most riding to one ring. >>>> >>>> As Steve indicated, you want to consider not only range, but also: >>>> >>>> Cruising (ie, most riding and most wear) chainline >>>> Ease of shifting >>>> >>>> as well as: >>>> Cruising gear spacing >>>> Size of most used cogs (efficiency, wear) >>>> Type of derailleurs >>>> Q factor >>>> Availability of components >>>> And even crank length -- I find that I gear up 1 tooth with 175s >>>> compared to 170s. >>>> >>>> Patrick "nothing is simple if you make it complicated" Moore, who >>>> prefers the simplicity of single cogs on his road bikes. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Range is as personal as saddles or crank length, since depends on >>>>> pedaling style as well as fitness. I'm not particularly fit by any means, >>>>> but a sub 20" gear would simply gather dust on my bikes. I *would* use >>>>> an 18" gear on a bike set up for steep singletrack at altitude, and I >>>>> daresay, for loaded touring, but not for anything around town. >>>>> >>>>> I live in rolling terrain and often carry (rear) loads, and find that >>>>> even with a 30 lb load, a longish hill, and a headwind, I'd not want >>>>> anything lower than a gear in the low 20s, particularly if more extreme >>>>> gears at the ends interferes with closer ratios in the middle. Likewise, >>>>> I'd never use a 98" gear either, and find a range between say 85" and 30" >>>>> fine for the sort of pavement and dirt riding I do, loaded or not. >>>>> >>>>> On my erstwhile Fargo, I had the X2D set up with Guard/38/24, and a >>>>> 13-27 t 9 speed (friction, Silvers) which gave me a 40" low on the 38, >>>>> enough for most paved hills, and a 25" bailout, which I don't think I >>>>> ever >>>>> used. But I had close middle ratios: >>>>> >>>>> 38.0 24.0 >>>>> 13.0 83.3 >>>>> 14.0 77.4 48.9 >>>>> 15.0 72.2 45.6 >>>>> 16.0 67.7 42.8 >>>>> 17.0 63.7 40.2 >>>>> 18.0 60.2 38.0 >>>>> 20.0 54.2 34.2 >>>>> 23.0 47.1 29.7 >>>>> 27.0 40.1 25.3 >>>>> Since I am limited to wide Q on the Fargo replacement Matthews due to >>>>> the width of the stays (minimum would be no less than 168; presently >>>>> 173-175 -- but then I can also run 3" 559 mm Knards should I want to) I >>>>> decided to keep a triple and run Hi and Lo cruising ranges on 44 pavement >>>>> and 40 dirt t big rings, with a 26" bailout. This gives me close ratios, >>>>> a >>>>> low enough range on dirt, and I can dump easily from pavement to dirt >>>>> range >>>>> without losing range or close spacing. >>>>> >>>>> 15.0 83.6 76.0 >>>>> 16.0 78.4 71.3 >>>>> 17.0 73.8 67.1 >>>>> 18.0 69.7 63.3 >>>>> 19.0 66.0 60.0 39.0 >>>>> 21.0 59.7 54.3 35.3 >>>>> 23.0 54.5 49.6 32.2 >>>>> 26.0 48.2 43.8 28.5 >>>>> 30.0 38.0 24.7 >>>>> >>>>> This setup also gives me larger cogs and cruising gears with no or >>>>> minimal chain deflection. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 3:15 AM, Tim Butterfield < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Building further on the 2x10 possibility, I did some further playing >>>>>> with Sheldon's gear inch calculator. If I could pair the Sugino XD2 >>>>>> 26t-40t crank with the Praxis 11-40 10 speed cassette, that would >>>>>> provide a >>>>>> range of 26x40=17.6 up to 40x11=98.2. From 17.6 to 98.2 is quite a >>>>>> range >>>>>> of gear inches. I not sure if I would use either extreme, but they >>>>>> might >>>>>> come in handy if I ever needed it, especially if I put a decent sized >>>>>> bag >>>>>> on the back rack. For a weak rider that might have a mix of flats and >>>>>> hills, what would you think of that range? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 1:49 AM, Tim Butterfield < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do folks think of wide cassettes? There used to be a IRD/Riv 9 >>>>>>> speed 12-40 "Elite Wide", but that has been discontinued. (I wish >>>>>>> discontinued items were not so prominently placed, but that's a >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> issue.) I found there is a Praxis 10 speed Wide Range 11-40 MTB >>>>>>> cassette >>>>>>> available. That should still work with indexed DT or BE shifters like >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Shimano 7900. Since I'm weak, I wonder if this might be better than a >>>>>>> standard road cassette like a 11-32. I'm definitely going to need a >>>>>>> low >>>>>>> gear if I'm going to try climbing any hills. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for the DT vs BE shifters, I can see using either in rural >>>>>>> areas. My current leaning is toward 2x10 with 7900 DT shifters, >>>>>>> indexed >>>>>>> for the rear and friction for the front. But, how might DT or BE >>>>>>> shifters >>>>>>> compare with brifters for urban usage? Until I work up to it, most of >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> short-term use will be (small city) streets and paved MUP. I'm >>>>>>> wondering >>>>>>> if brifters might work better in that environment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks again for all of the advice and ideas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Tim Butterfield < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting a Rivendell bicycle for a long time. >>>>>>>> I first joined this group to lurk back in 2010 and have been a member >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> sometimes lurker since then. But, I had not made the commitment and >>>>>>>> purchased a Riv. The closest I came was getting a Velo-Orange Rando. >>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>> was sort of rivish. >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157624827193423 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Being in the suburbs of Chicago near O'Hare airport limited my >>>>>>>> comfort using it the way it should have been. That bike was sold >>>>>>>> before I >>>>>>>> left Chicago to live full-time in an RV. Once we decided to settle in >>>>>>>> Anacortes, WA (still in the RV), I purchased a Specialized AWOL Comp, >>>>>>>> definitely not rivish. >>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/timbutterfield/sets/72157644371355428 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's a nice bike, but I now want something more rivish, this time, >>>>>>>> the real thing. I'm thinking of getting either the Roadeo or the A >>>>>>>> Homer >>>>>>>> Hilsen. I like the idea of the liveliness and sportiness of the >>>>>>>> Roadeo, >>>>>>>> but like the bit of extra versatility of the AHH also. With my weight >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> 200+ (PBH 33" or 83.8cm, age 51), I'm leaning towards the AHH instead >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Roadeo. I can start more roadish with the AHH and, as I build my >>>>>>>> abilities further, expand the bike to fit new and/or different tasks >>>>>>>> without having to change frames. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I'm fairly settled on getting my first Riv, one of the two >>>>>>>> mentioned. My pondering now is mostly on how to appoint it. My Rando >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> more modern with the 105 setup. The AWOL was definitely modern with >>>>>>>> discs >>>>>>>> and SRAM setup. But, I'm not tied to that. Though I haven't used it >>>>>>>> much, >>>>>>>> I like the looks of a quill stem, drop bars, and downtube shifters. >>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>> looks clean and simple. I'm just not sure what it's like to live >>>>>>>> with. I >>>>>>>> expect that, like many things, it is a matter of adapting to it. But, >>>>>>>> using DT shifters or bar ends does set a direction as neither would >>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>> with an 11-speed I could have instead. I'm trying to consider the >>>>>>>> pros and >>>>>>>> cons of each. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With my AWOL, I leave it locked to the cabana just outside my RV. >>>>>>>> Some RVs have sufficient inside storage for a bike. Mine doesn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My questions to the group are these: As I am not yet doing longer >>>>>>>> distances, are there still benefits to the more traditional setups? >>>>>>>> If I >>>>>>>> pick either one, what might I later miss the other may have provided? >>>>>>>> Are >>>>>>>> there likely to be any weather related or other wear issues leaving a >>>>>>>> Riv >>>>>>>> locked to the RV park cabana like I do my AWOL? I'm doubtful of that, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> don't want to mistreat it either. 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