The EL casing is so much more supple than most tires that my realization of 
too low of a pressure in my Stampede Pass Els was a low speed washout on 
the switchbacks of multi user ramp on a repurposed bridge, decked with 
concrete, on a sunny dry day, just as Clayton's. No "mold release" or bloom 
of tread compound liquor involved, all my fault, but these tires are so 
fantastic that I'm not surprised that I have to relearn so much of what I 
used to overlook as a given about tires.

My tire episode felt like it slipped, as Clayton described, but as soon as 
it occurred I looked down and saw that my big turn of the bars (30-35°)‚ at 
almost no forward speed twisted up the sidewalls, slack to that sort of 
force against the contact patch, and produced the wrinkles that immediately 
caused the sidewall to washout. I was just fortunate to see what happened.

Not too dissimilar to this appearance (that by horsepower, mine by a huge 
swing of the bars at low speed and an ill-advised low tire pressure):

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<https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8LBaVNenv4k/V7xHOOGBwRI/AAAAAAAAG4o/b71YyP_0H_QGVrRB4bVEezAvHapf5VIQwCLcB/s1600/20160822_125243.jpg>

Those Stampede Pass ELs on West Mountain, Hot Springs, National Park, AR


Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh (Arkansas this week)


On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-4, Clayton wrote:
>
> I have been using the ultra lights with the tan sidewall. The sidewalls 
>> are translucent. Very, very light tires with a delicious ride. Supple. Sort 
>> of like riding on just an inner tube as the tire.
>>
>  
>
>> When I first installed them, the front end washed out on clean dry 
>> pavement and I wrecked. I blame the mold release on the tires combined with 
>> the pressure at 40 psi.  After the crash,  I took a long ride in the dirt 
>> to scrub the mold release off and now run the tires at 30 psi, which seems 
>> ideal. I have been a little reluctant to corner real hard (still have the 
>> road rash) but I'll head to a parking lot one of these days and see how far 
>> I can lean them. I rack the wreck up to operator error.....(I knew about 
>> mold release on tires).
>>
>> If I was to purchase again, I'd get the standard, not the ultralights. 
> The standards are really light. 
>
> Beware, once you are spoiled by the ride of these tires, it will be hard 
> to take them off. 
>
> I haven't had them long enough to report on wear, but due to my wreck, I 
> am thinking they might have a harder compound, and should last longer than 
> they appear they would. 
>
> Last but not least, they look really cool. 
>
> Clayton (Bend)
>
>
>

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