Good call Daniel! I bet that's why. It had never occurred to me that
a narrower chain and cassette might be beneficial, but here we are. Neat!

I'm happy to leave my other bikes on 8 and 9 speed, though.


Reed

On Friday, September 16, 2016, Daniel Jackson <daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This is fascinating - I have heard both that friction shifting 10 sp is
> easier and that its harder than 9 sp. The main reason I've heard for the
> former is that there is less space between gears so you're never "out" of
> gear as you might be on a 9 speed.
>
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 2:08:41 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Clayton.sf <clayt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't use friction with 10 speed. Too fiddly especially when tired.
>>> That is not a function of the type of friction shifter though.
>>>
>>
>> Just a quick counterpoint: I recently bought a Velo Routier. It came
>> stock with Silver shifters, a 10 speed 12-28 cassette, and a Microshift
>> Centos rear derailleur like this one: https://www.amazon.com/mi
>> croSHIFT-Derailleur-RD-R57SE-Bicycle-Compatible/dp/B014L49Z
>> ME/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474048526&sr=8-3&keywords=centos+derailleur
>>
>> I was originally apprehensive about this combination for exactly the
>> reasons Clayton describes. But taking it for a ride, I was surprised how
>> well it worked. It was very difficult to find "bad" shift lever positions.
>> Nine times out of ten whatever position I'd stick the lever in would just
>> find a gear and work great with no trimming. The tenth time I'd just trim a
>> bit. It worked so well I came to really enjoy the downtube shifters.
>>
>> This is markedly different than my other friction bikes which require
>> more active and more frequent trimming (and all have barcons because of
>> it). Perhaps the derailleur is doing something special? Maybe with the
>> floating top pulley? I don't know.
>>
>> I later realized that Fred over on the 650B list rode the same bike
>> (literally the one I later bought) and made a similar observation:
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/650b/6vYkUkoO_l4/T7gcNitEuC4J
>>
>> Last note: This bike and derailleur only have a few hundred miles on
>> them, tops, so I can't speak to the longevity of this Microshift
>> derailleur. But it sure is working great now!
>>
>>
>> Reed
>>
>>
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 3:26:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Clayton,
>>>>
>>>> Do you use Silvers to shift your 10 speeds?
>>>>
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