Brian,
Did the pre-dilled holes for the stays on the VO fenders line up with the 
Berthoud stays? Curious which VO fenders you used as I'm looking to do the 
same with some VO Zeppelin fenders I'll be installing.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 9:16:04 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Buy the VO fenders and use Berthoud stays and attachment hardware 
> available at Ben's cycle. That is what I did. The VO stay attachments are 
> clunky looking and on the front. cn contribute to toe overlap depending on 
> the bike. It did on my Hilsen , so I switched over to the Berthoud stays.
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 8:42:14 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I've used (up) about 3 pairs of Berthoud stainless steel fenders on my 
>> '03 Riv (3d time lucky) and I used another pair on another Rivendell. 
>> Oddly, they dent more easily than the 2 pairs of hammered Honjos I've used; 
>> whether this be the aluminum or the texture. Too bad no one carries Honjo 
>> 559 X 50s -- wait, I just learned that Soma carries 26" (as opposed to 
>> 650B) X 45 and X 50 in a few styles, but at astronomical prices: $150 and 
>> $167 caught my eye before I quickly shut the window. Next year, perhaps.
>>
>> Anyway, at least the "hammered" Honjos are more dent resistant than the 
>> plain SS Berthouds and more so too than plain VO aluminum fenders, at least 
>> of a few years ago. 
>>
>> Me, if I could afford it, or if I'd not just used up 3 pairs trying to 
>> get this bike right, I'd choose one of the Honjos. But the Berthouds are 
>> still very nice, and not much heavier -- I seem to recall that ~50 mm 26" 
>> and 650B fenders in SKS plastic with steel hardware were 2 lb, Berthoud 
>> stainless with alum hardware at 1.5 lb, and the 26 X 50 Honjo hammereds at 
>> 1 lb more or less even.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Edwin W <dween...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am eventually going to get around to putting bigger fenders on my 
>>> Appaloosa, and was looking at VO's 700x63 and Berthoud's 700x60 from Peter 
>>> White. 
>>> Any experience or differences? It looks like the Berthoud's are 
>>> predrilled in the same way, for the stays, so you have to add a hole for a 
>>> rack attachment up front and bridge in the rear. I like my 700x50s from VO 
>>> now, but I always trust Peter White's choices in his offerings...
>>> Then when I wear out my Barlow Pass tires I can move up to Snoqualmie 
>>> Pass or their 700x50 offerings when they come out (fictional thus far,don't 
>>> get too excited).
>>>
>>> Appreciate any thoughts or experiences,
>>>
>>> Edwin
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