I'll chime in with a quick six year synopsis of my leather saddle experience:
I like B-17's with upright bars but they don't work in drop bar mode for me (too wide at the rear and in-between my legs). I tried a Brooks Swift in drop bar mode for a while, which, wasn't too bad but did sag so much over a short period of use (maybe two seasons) that I started to become frustrated with the whole finicky leather saddle thing altogether. I haven't enjoyed the continual evolving towards sag experience much but I do like the feel of leather saddles (way more than the Cambiums -- but that's another story). Next I tried an older Team Pro, which, by the numbers seemed like it would be a better fit for my drop bar position (and it was). Unfortunately, it deteriorated and ripped (but that was really due to it's age more than anything else). So faced with the decision to buy a new Team Pro -- or try yet another saddle -- I went with the Aspin (Arivis, actually -- but same shape) because that saddle also looked to fit my needs based on the numbers. And it did -- but here's the odd part -- I must be the only person to be disappointed with it's longevity. It broke in very quickly (read: sagged) and once, when soaked in a rainstorm I didn't see coming -- sagged so much that I thought it was a goner. To it's credit, I was able to get it back into shape again and am finishing a second season with it -- though, I've had to run the tension bolt in a bunch more than expected -- and again, I always have that nagging feeling that it's sagging towards state of ultimate uselessness. I like that I can at least order new leather for it -- but wish I'd had that 500 mile break-in period everyone talks about and the impression that the leather is somehow thicker. Mine does not seem overly thick compared to the Books models I've used in the past ... and well, it's not behaving much differently, either. It is comfortable, however, and I get that these are leather saddles, therefor somewhat subject to the varying nature of "natural" material -- so I suppose I'll try replacing the leather sooner or later ... if not next season then likely the season after. I am curious if anyone else has had a similar Berthoud experience -- I weigh between 150 and 160lb, generally, btw. On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 7:59:44 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > On 10/17/2016 12:36 AM, Lungimsam wrote: > > Is tge name pronounced: > > "Ber-toad", or > > > "Bear-tood" > According to google translate, bear-too, with a rolling r > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.