Description of both being "roadish" does seem slightly suspect.   It's 
interesting that they intentionally cropped off the handlebars in the 
photos of #5.  A quick comparison tells me it might be similar to a 58cm 
production Joe, which would fit roughly the same size.  Top tube is 
slightly shorter, but seat tube is slightly steeper, so probably a wash. 
 Chainstays are actually quite a bit shorter than the Joe, so nowhere near 
"clemmish."

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 7:43:06 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> #s 4 and 5 are for about the same range of PBH and saddle heights, but 
> they are very different designs.
> #4 is 58 x 57.5, 45 cm chain stays, a nearly horizontal top tube and 
> 33.3mm clearances
> #5 has a 55 cm st with a 60 cm upsloping tt, Clemish chainstays, tires up 
> to 40mm and a longer head tube
> Both are listed as roadish.
>
> Can someone translate this into ride characteristics and/or analogs to 
> stock models?
>
>
> Jay
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:56:30 AM UTC+3, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>
>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>
>

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