Could be the chainstay length. Joe's are longer. The rest of the frame 
geometry is similar to the Sam.

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:34:57 PM UTC-5, Ashwath Akirekadu wrote:
>
> *Sam felt like a Honda Civic while Joe felt like Accord.*  This is how I 
> can best describe the difference.
>
> I'm planning to go back and ride them for an hour back to back.
>
> If Sam were available esp in sage, that would have been sufficient to 
> ignore finer details of the difference :)
>
>
> On Sunday, 27 November 2016 16:13:57 UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> I vote for Sam. It's a tad lighter, so its ride is apt to be a bit more 
>> spritely. And it's still stout enough for camping and for on-pavement 
>> touring. 
>>
>> By the way: When you say the Joe A. was "quite different," could you 
>> describe the difference?
>>
>

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