Not as far as I can tell. Haven't weighed the two bikes (and that would be meaningless due to totally different builds). But my Hillborne definitely "feels" lighter. Not only in picking it up but also while riding.
And, in theory if not actual fact, my Hillborne should be a touch heavier. They are both the same size frame (56). However, the Hillborne is designed for larger riders than the 56 Atlantis. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jan 5, 1:05 pm, JGS <[email protected]> wrote: > Congrats on the new bike. I have one question though. Isn't the > Hillborne just as heavy as the Atlantis? I thought it was made out of > the same gauge tubing and the "which bike for what" .pdf on the riv > site says it's just as tourable. Just curious as to whether this is > true or not. Thanks! > > On Jan 4, 11:22 pm, Earl Grey <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I bought a Hillborne a couple of months ago, built it up for commuting > > and mixed road/off-road riding, and have been loving it. I feel like I > > have found my perfect bike, even though as recently as a year ago I > > never seriously thought of buying a Rivendell. Here it > > is:http://tinyurl.com/y8ay6gg > > The following is the history that led me to buy a Sam, and I thought > > it might be of interest to some of you (I sent a version to Grant as > > well). > > > The funny thing is that the Hillborne is almost exactly the bike I > > have wanted for the past 20 years, although at times I didn't quite > > know it. And the bike I have been riding for the last 19 years is a > > lot like a Sam Hillborne, only not nearly as nice a bike. So here is > > the back story: > > > Back in 1991 when I bought my first "real" bike, I looked at > > Bridgestones, but wanted neither a road nor a mountain bike, and the > > RB-T was still too much of a road bike for me. I also had a Shimano > > bias (since cured), which made at least some Bridgestones less > > attractive. I wanted a bike that could do anything, and in my college > > student's $600 price range, the Fisher Sphinx (basically a rigid 29er > > with drop bars, or a proto monster cross) was almost exactly it. > > > I still consider the Fisher Sphinx a ground-breaking bike, but it > > never gets mentioned in discussions of the origins of all-arounders or > > whatever you want to call them, and I've only ever been able to find > > ONE photo of it on the web: http://tinyurl.com/yhlo7jy(withall > > stock parts excecpt the tires: it came with 38mm semi-knobbies; note > > the "it's so hideous it's almost good" 'sharkbite' paint job). I'll > > put photos of mine up on cyclofiend at some point. > > > I did admire the Bridgestones though, still have the 1992-94 > > catalogues, and even bought a long sleeve wool jersey with tagua nut > > buttons from Bridgestone. I particularly liked the XO-1, and if it had > > had a triple crank and 700C wheels, I might have bought one and sold > > the Fisher. In the late 90s I tried buying an MB-1 off a friend who > > wasn't riding it, but he wasn't selling, either. :) The Fisher is > > still my main ride (well, was, until the Sam arrived), but it bugs me > > that it has a 1 1/4 headset and 88mm bottom bracket shell, which mean > > it's going to be a pain in the butt to maintain long term. The frame > > is also not of terribly high quality, with a chainstay bridge that > > runs diagonal, and some subpar welds. > > > Even though I vaguely knew about Rivendell from early on, I somewhat > > strangely did not think of buying a Rivendell until fairly recently. I > > still remember my first conscious Riv sighting, at a critical mass in > > San Francisco around 2000. I was very intrigued, but also mystified. I > > talked to the owner for a while, admired the burnt orange paint job > > ( a lot like the orange Sam) and the SON dynohub, but thought it was > > trying a bit too hard to look retro. Another part of not thinking > > about buying one was the high price, not wanting to own a bike that > > precious and unusual, and partly, since I already had a very sensible > > bike, I wanted something a bit racier for fast club rides. In '96, I > > had bought a NOS 1995 Bianchi Veloce, the last lugged steel bike with > > steel fork they made, I think. At the time I remembered being a bit > > sad that the Veloce didn't come with a carbon fork, but over the years > > I became glad it was all steel. I also considered buying an Ibis > > Hakkalügi cyclocross at one point (I already had an Ibis Uncle Fester > > tandem, which I loved), but wasn't quite ready to build up a frame > > myself, and also thought it too precious/expensive. The Bianchi was > > stolen in 2003 or so, and in 2006 I replaced it with a used > > Independent Fabrications Planet Cross (http://tinyurl.com/yduufyx) > > that could do double duty as a fast road bike and an off-roader > > (though the rear can't quite fit 42 mm knobbies). My Sphinx meanwhile > > wore fenders and got me to school and back. I even went so far as to > > buy a silly aero wheelset for the Indy Fab so I could switch it back > > and forth from road to off road quickly, and was thinking of replacing > > the dowdy Sugino triple with something sexier and lighter-weight (I > > hadn't yet reallized that there isn't anything sexier than a Sugino). > > > But then it started bugging me that the Indy Fab couldn't take fenders > > or racks (no braze-ons) and slowly the things that initially turned me > > off a bit about Rivendell (why do the MUSA pants have to be two-tone? > > Flat pedals? Without toe-straps, even? Mud flaps? In California? > > What's up with the ridiculously high stems? [I still don't understand > > why Riv doesn't promote Periscopa type stems more, I think they would > > look much better than a Technomic raised to the max]), well, those > > things didn't bug me so much anymore. I still didn't want to/couldn't > > spend $2000 on a frame, the Atlantis seemed heavy and 26" wheels look > > wrong to me on a medium-sized drop bar bike, the AHH didn't have > > enough tire clearance and I like cantilevers, and for the last couple > > of years I was thinking of getting a Surly Cross Check or a Soma > > Double Cross and just moving the parts from my Sphinx over. But then I > > saw the Soma Speedster and thought why can't someone make a sub-$1000 > > cantilever bike with lugs? And then along comes the Hillborne. And in > > my favorite bike color ever, burnt orange. And not with (to me, on a > > bigger frame) ungainly 26" wheels, yet with good clearance, although > > by now I was enough of a retro grouch that the up-sloping top tube > > bothered me. :) So I started leaning towards the Velo Orange Rando, > > but then I realized that the Hillborne had a much better chance of > > being well-thought out in every little detail than the first > > production frame from a new company. Besides, the VO Rando still isn't > > shipping, and its clearances will probably be smaller than the > > AHH's... > > > So here I am with my first Grant-designed bike, almost 20 years after > > his sensibilities started influencing my bike thinking. I have only > > ridden it for a couple of months, but I have the feeling I will ride > > it for as long as I ride bikes. I can't imagine outgrowing it or > > wanting something different, with the possible exception of an > > Atlantis for serious 3rd world touring (though hopefully any touring > > will happen with my wife on our tandem), or perhaps a single speed at > > some point down the road, or a 650b porteur for running errands, or... > > > Thank you, Grant. The Hillborne was worth waiting for. > > > Gernot > > > Chiang Mai, Thailand- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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