Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting 
system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way 
any road.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 8:22:03 PM UTC-7, Jeff wrote:
>
> I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked 
> up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel 
> pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to 
> my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution 
> and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look 
> right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock 
> the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took 
> when he offered them up last year: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I 
>> fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, 
>> even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of 
>> Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the 
>> toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full 
>> Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in 
>> life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. 
>> What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the 
>> time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.
>>
>> I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly 
>> abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and 
>> bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category 
>> (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field 
>> and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time 
>> will tell!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 6:50:46 PM UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if 
>>> you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real 
>>> pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know 
>>> that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be 
>>> more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, 
>>> though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: 
>>> https://vimeo.com/123971564
>>>  I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted 
>>> to put in another good word for these bags!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it 
>>>> relates to: 
>>>> — ease of access 
>>>> — weatherproof 
>>>> — bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness 
>>>> — other issues that stand out? 
>>>>
>>>> After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play 
>>>> there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored 
>>>> to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s 
>>>> Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof 
>>>> enough 
>>>> and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush 
>>>> and that just on the MUPS. 
>>>>
>>>> Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new 
>>>> Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, 
>>>> when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, 
>>>> preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go 
>>>> bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin. 
>>>>
>>>> Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your 
>>>> experience with them? 
>>>>
>>>> With abandon, 
>>>> Patrick 
>>>>
>>>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>>>
>>>>
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