My body demands the bars in different locations depending on the bike to be 
comfortable.

 Bob Jackson track bike - below saddle by about a 2cm. Rando Boulder about 1cm 
below. Jones a tad above saddle height, Cheviot about 3cm above saddle height. 
Have never measured reach but assume that it is all over the place too. All 4 
bikes are comfortable in their way for 100+ mile days. For me there is no 
dogmatic one setup fits all - it varies from bike to bike, but each one is very 
particular about where the bars go.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

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