Alex, Patrick, Thanks for your input. I can see both arguments. As for how much a frame flexes, I guess what seems good to some riders might not be appreciated by another rider, as always. For example, take the Karate Monkey and the Ogre; they have the same frame geometry, but the Ogre is stiffer to haul more weight. Those who like to tear up the trails like the more springy Monkey, and say the Ogre is OK, but too stiff for that purpose. But add 50 lbs to each bike and the Ogre wins.
On Sunday, June 4, 2017 at 11:56:20 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Just a note to Alex's judgment: I think one element of "better handling" > is the obviously very idiosyncratic taste and riding style of the rider. > Jan finds even modest weights in saddlebags and even rear panniers too > "waggy" for comfort; to me, even a fully loaded (35+ lb) Sackville Medium > or Camper or (presently) Large Saddlesack -- this last, but not the others, > partly supported by a seatpost-clamped rack -- doesn't sway enough to > annoy; even more for rear panniers; it's rather the bike itself that > determines how stable the rear load feels. And the most stable bike I've > owned in this regard was a very definitely single top tube early '70s > racing bike made from normal-diameter, lightweight -- lighter than my Riv > road customs! -- 531. Odd, but there you have it. > > My own single tube 55 or 56 cm Sam handled heavy rear and light front > loads very well. (Until I put 50+ lbs in front panniers -- had lowrider > bosses added; then I could hardly steer it!) > > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles < > 482...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I've ridden both and have a 2tt Sam. The 2tt rides better weighted. The >> second top tube prevents noodly-ness especially on trails when weighted. >> >> I think the idea was the Appaloosa could take over the need for a fully >> lugged import frame aimed at more trail worthiness. The 1tt Sam could then >> retreat into a more parallel country bike spot alongside the Homer. >> >> Just speculating for the most part. The 2tt makes for an excellent all >> rounder especially if you enjoy light camping trips. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > *30% Supply and Demand discount, listmembers only, on all resume, > LinkedIn, and writing services, until Demand equals Supply! And there's > more! 10% kickback for any referral resulting in fully paid, list-price > contract. And still more! I am offering services in trade for a road bike, > or frame and parts, that are period compatible with my AM hub, circa 1937 > to 1961. See my website for what I do and what I charge; email for details.* > > Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. > By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. > Other professional writing services. > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > Patrick Moore > Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten > ************************************************************************** > ************** > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
