Between these two threads, i think the group might be zeroing in on what grant 
is talking about, but i'm guessing that distribution of weight to the 
handlebars is the bigger issue, and that front center measurement is only one 
part of that equation... and that it is too simplistic to be the main part.  
Elsewhere in the interview, he said the clem would be his favorite bike if it 
had more lugs - and those are so long that tco isn't remotely an issue.  
Perhaps there is some ideal/target torso lean angle that each bike is designed 
around, that provides the handlebar weighting that riv is after?  That would 
explain why a bike intended for reach-back bars could have a longer top tube / 
front center than one intended to use drops or moustache bars.  That's also an 
argument that would be likely to bring out the mean, 
entrenched-in-their-beliefs, mathmeticians in an argument.

I also want to go back and read that 'how to design a frame' article.  Good 
idea...

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