Spare tubes of cement are easy to find online. They’re sealed very well and 
will last forever until you puncture the end for the first use.

--Eric N
Twitter/Instagram/YouTube: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:37 AM, George Schick <bhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree with all of the comments here about patching and patch types.  One 
> thing I've noticed lately, though, is that LBS's do not seem to be stocking 
> vulcanizing cement anymore - you can still get small tubes of it, but you 
> have to buy an entire patch kit including patches and that useless sandpaper 
> that comes with it.  Even Riv is sold out of those nice little tubes they 
> sold.  So I've resorted to Eric's method - I carry a spare tube and fix the 
> hole in the flatted tire when I get home.  I have a can (the kind with the 
> brush attached to the inside of the lid) of universal cement that I got from 
> an auto parts store - the stuff used with the plugs on holes in car tires - 
> and it works just fine.  I do carry a small patch kit in case I get another 
> flat on the road, but I've found that patching while out riding to be less 
> successful than doing it at home were I get get the tube good and clean, use 
> that can of cement, and clamp it on tightly with a c-clamp for a while until 
> it's set up good.
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 5:59:39 PM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>> Properly done (which isn’t hard—just keep the patch area clean), patches 
>> last forever. I’ve found that most of the problems I have had in the past 
>> are related to cheap innertubes, not cheap patches. Seems like patches don’t 
>> stick to cheap tubes.
>> 
>> FWIW, I have had great results with patches and glue that can be bought in 
>> bulk online. The glue, I think, all comes from the same huge vat somewhere. 
>> Biggest problem I have is finding small patches. Knowing that most holes are 
>> almost microscopic, the huge patches that most places sell are overkill.
>> 
>> P.S. Ditch the sandpaper. You don’t need it. Just put a thin layer of glue 
>> on the tube.
>> 
>> P.P.S. Unless they’ve changed the formulation a *lot,* I would not recommend 
>> glueless patches. They might work as a temporary fix in a pinch, but they 
>> don’t last and will start leaking pretty quickly. 
>> 
>> P.P.P.S. I always carry at least one spare tube and use it to fix a flat 
>> tire on a ride. I patch the tube with the hole when I get back home.
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Philip Williamson <philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've never heard that tire-patching is impermanent. Every time my patching 
>>> job has failed, it's been apparent right away. Patches last for years and 
>>> years.
>>> 
>>> I've sealed a few tiny holes with Stan's sealant inside the tube, instead 
>>> of by patching. So far so good on two out of three tries. These three tests 
>>> were adding Stan's to the tube after the puncture and airing up the tire. 
>>> 
>>> Philip
>>> www.biketinker.com
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>>>> What is your track record with patching?
>>>> 
>>>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>>> 
>>>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>>> 
>>>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in 
>>>> subject title. Thanks.
>>> 
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