Some of the people I know who ride ultra-short-wheelbase fixed-gear
bikes w/clips have what seems like whole foot overlap, but they manage
in boston traffic nonetheless.   I know from experience that riding in
this traffic must involve some serious weaving and sharp cuts of the
wheel left/right.     But these folks do it anyway and they're still
alive, so it must be something you can learn to cope with pretty

On Feb 2, 6:58 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <>
> One of the non-Riv bikes we sell comes standard with clips and straps
> (we should really take them off). Last Summer a guy came in to test
> one, so I aired up the tires, offered a helmet (declined), and away he
> went. When he returned, both he and the bike were scraped up.
> Apparently, the TC got caught in the fender, and he went down. I
> really can't imagine what maneuver he was trying to execute (track
> stand?), and on the 50 or so times I've ridden one of those bikes, I
> never noticed a TCO issue or experienced anything remotely resembling
> a TCO difficulty.
> On Feb 2, 1:36 am, Grant Petersen <> wrote:
> > Seems to be a problem because it has a name/acronym. All it means is that at
> > speeds less than about 6mph, if you turn the wheel enough and time it just
> > wrong with your pedal stroke, your shoe hits the fender or tire. It's one of
> > those things that sounds worse than it is. It cannot happen at faster
> > speeds, because you don't turn the wheel that much except if you're doing a
> > near or full U-turn. When you go around a hairpin at 17 mph, you turn the
> > front wheel maybe 1.5-degees. It is ONLY at SUPER slow speeds and super
> > sharp turns that you can make contact.
> > I want to say this, because it even being a topic of discussion suggests
> > that there's something wrong. At the risk of being gross or something, it's
> > sort of like, "I have mucus coming out of my face--what can I do? What's
> > wrong with me?" And the answer is "blow your nose." But "TCO" (a term I've
> > used a hundred times, by the way) is "mucus coming out of face" in a
> > different context.
> > In a bike like the Atlantis, or any fatty tire bike, the designer, at some
> > point, comes to a fork in the road. He can design for NO TCO and compromise
> > the elements of design that affect position and fit and ride; or he can
> > design for P, F, and R and accept some TCO.
> > Or, just go to a smaller wheel. But even that involves some value
> > judgements. A 58cm Atlantis with a 26--inch wheel would have a monster-long
> > head tube that would look funny and make the bike less suitable to load
> > carrying than the 700C wheel version (with a longer fork and hence shorter
> > head tube). As it is, the 58 is a really well triangulated frame, and the
> > bike rides like a demon (my opinion, but I am biased).
> > TCO ends up being a problem---in my opinion---only in theoretics, but not in
> > practice. THere are some builders who would disagree; and although in the
> > spirit of diplomacy and reasonableness and "agreeing to disagree" and all
> > that, I accept that....I can't understand it. To fear TCO or to regard it as
> > Dangerous....well, it's ust something that to me doesn't make any sense.
> > I'm not saying anybody here fears it. I haven't read all the posts and
> > prolly won't...I just clicked on this thread for the heck of it, read
> > something, and now.....ahhh....shouldn't have said anything! Will regret it
> > in the morning. Going to bed. Goodnight, Moon.
> > Best,
> > G
> > --
> > Grant
> > Rivendell Bicycle Workswww.rivbike.com925933 7304

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