I rode the 61cm Roadini demo at Riv HQ a few weeks ago.  No pictures 
(sorry!) but I did set the saddle right right around 80cm, which is my 
preferred.  It looked like it would be perfect for a level saddle-bars 
relationship, you probably wouldn't even have to use a Technomic.  There 
was a technomic on the demo set well above my saddle height but I didn't 
mess with it, when in Rome...  It was a wonderfully riding bike and had me 
pining, but then again, pretty much any bike there will do that for me.  

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 12:09:01 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Joe,
>
> I do tend to agree... And your custom and Legolas are set-up just 
> perfectly to my eyes.  Not that I am set on the Roadini, but I know some of 
> the pictures make it look like the head tube allows the bars to end up 
> pretty high by design, a great thing, at least within reason.  That said, I 
> would not want to have to completely slam the stem on a 61 to get the bars 
> level or maybe just slightly below saddle height.  Someone here once said 
> that they were completely confident in Riv's sizing recommendations as long 
> as they fell near the middle of those recommendations and I do see the 
> wisdom of that.  
>
> Lum Gim Fong's suggestion about asking someone at RBW to take a picture of 
> a 61cm Roadini with a saddle height set to 78-79 and level bars is a good 
> idea.  
>
> I will have a little credit built up at some point (with Riv), so 
> potential projects are being considered.  I suspect the potential project 
> will take a different turn but a good and less-slow road bike would be a 
> worthy addition to my more usual utility and load carrying builds.
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 12:32:15 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> Bob, I too have a 89cm PBH. I cannot imagine why we would choose to ride 
>> a 57cm. When I ordered a custom road frame, Grant put me on a 61.5cm. Here 
>> it is many years ago with the handlebars at saddle height. 
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6897752730/in/album-72157607471577085/
>> When I bought a Legolas, I chose a 62cm frame.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/album-72157607471577085/
>> A 60cm Quickbeam looks like this
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2760281945/in/album-72157607471577085/
>> A 58cm frame with a completely flat top tube but a 2cm head tube 
>> extension looks like this. 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5265783630/in/album-72157607471577085/
>>
>> Joe in GJT
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 10:31:07 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>>> I am right at the transition point between the 57cm and 61cm Roadini's 
>>> (PBH 89cm, seat height 78-79 depending on shoes).
>>>
>>> Can someone point me to pictures of a 61cm Roadini that has the saddle 
>>> height (as pictured) listed?  I suppose the same goes for pictures of a 
>>> 57cm version, though I have seen some pictures posted and those have been 
>>> helpful.  
>>>
>>> I tend to choose and ride frames on the larger side of any 
>>> recommendations, as I am used to it and also prefer a mostly level 
>>> saddle-to-bars relationship without being crazy with seat post or stem. 
>>>  That said, the relatively higher head tube on the Roadini has me thinking. 
>>>
>>> I will go back and study the geometry diagrams again but any pictures of 
>>> builds would be helpful.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any and all help,
>>>
>>> Bob Lovejoy
>>> Galesburg, IL
>>>
>>

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