Well said, Bill. I guess it's similar thinking that has made me want a 64 Sam as a do-it-all, but alas the 64's are no longer an option, which I found out after asking Will at Riv while I was still waiting for the Mega Clem H's to come in. I was thinking back then that a Sam/Clem combo would be tough to beat... but then wondered if both a 64 Sam and 65/67 AHH were made in Waterford then the value gained in terms of affordability of the Tawainese Sam's is lost and I was hoping Will could help differentiate cost vs. versatility, etc. of the two being made in Waterford. He confirmed the 64cm Sam was no longer an available option anyway and noted at my 97+ pbh they'd prefer to put me on a 67cm AHH. Unfortunately, such a thing is way out of my budget right now but still in the back of my mind as I continue to debate my future cycling. If I could ever afford it I'm sure I'd be very pleased with a Homer to complement my Clem. I still have lots of other experimenting I want to do with bikes/frames already in my possession (and then I've also wanted to get my hands on a big 'ol 68cm QB too) but I'd like to believe it won't be too long before I'm ready to actually trim down to just two.
Brian Cole Lawrenceville, NJ On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 2:37:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > My main 'real world road bike' is my Sam Hillborne. I have a stipped down > racing bike that resembles a Roadini, a Black Mountain Road bike. If your > application requires a stripped down racing bike, the Roadini is more like > that. > > Let's say hypothetically you built up a Roadini with a light build and had > a 22 pound road bike, with 32 mm tires. If you moved that build kit over > to a Hillborne, the only different thing you would need is a 135mm rear hub > and cantilever brakes. That hypothetical Hillborne would be about 23 > pounds, or about half a water bottle heavier. On that light Hillborne > you'd could run 38mm Barlow Pass tires instead and be just as fast (or > faster) and way more comfortable, and still could run fenders, which would > take you up to 24 pounds. You could add a nice handlebar bag and dynamo > lighting and now you have a full feature brevet bike. > > It's true that if you do an urban assault vehicle build on a Sam you might > end up with a 32 pound bike which would 'overlap' a fair bit with an > Appaloosa. A light Sam build could definitely give a Roadini a run for its > money. A Roadini is a straightforward stripped down race bike. If you are > sure you need/want a stripped down straightforward race bike (and nothing > more, ever), it's a great choice. If you want a 'real world road bike' that > excels at a wider swath of applications, there's very little compromise > with a Sam to buy you that versatility. You could absolutely run the Sam as > a loaded touring bike, or a cyclocross race bike, or a drop bar trail bike, > or an upright commuter, or a stripped down road bike. > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 4:09:49 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote: >> >> I figured I would ask on the off chance (or maybe not so off?) that >> someone has ridden all three bikes and can describe their take on the >> differences they detected. I know from design that the Roadini should be >> faster than the Sam and the Sam faster than the Joe. I know from a touring >> and rough stuff perspective it would be the Joe then the Sam then the >> Roadini. >> >> That said, I am curious if anyone has had the chance to ride all three >> and what impressed them regarding differences as well as similarities. >> >> My caveat, as I now say often, is I have no business asking! Still, I >> would be curious... I have a Joe that I love but having the Joe built for >> rough stuff and something else built for faster and smoother riding does >> sound like a great thing. I am attracted to the Sam but fear there is just >> too much overlap with the Joe I already have. >> >> Anyway, figured I would ask... Thanks in advance for any help or >> descriptions. >> >> Bob L. >> Galesburg, IL >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
