You might find baseball knickers , called "knee high pants" , to be worth a 
look.    They take 1.5" belts and all stretch well.  Some are looser 
fitting than others.  If you have a local sporting goods store they may 
even have some could actually try on. What a concept in these 
picture-ordering dayze !

In regards to Patagonia pants in general and you can tell just by their 
pictures ..... low rise front and rear. Might be good for someone 5'8", or 
you don't mind "plumbers butt" when you bend forward. It's been a trend for 
some years now.

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 1:59:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> Och! Me knickers are in a twist! Sardonic grin. I am looking for knickers 
> to ride in and for daily wear (so not cycling spandex knickers, but more in 
> the spirit of Riv’s knickers of yore)
> My requirements are:
> — casual/dressy look and fit (if they fit like jeans, I’m golden)
> — loose enough to allow squatting and floor sitting, but not baggy
> — quiet as cotton
> — belt loop for 1.5” belt (like jeans)
> — Elastic at the knee
> — cool, breathable
> The two I’ve found that may fit the bill are:
> Zoik Reign: 
> and Compass: 
> Others I should look into?
> With abandon,
> Patrick

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