An Italian (70mm) axle works fine. I did this previously on a Raleigh-made
Huffy Sportsman. I think I have a Dura Ace spare spindle somewhere. Let me
know if you're interested and I can check width.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:00:14 PM UTC-6, Coal Bee Rye Anne
> Putting a feeler out as I try to work through a poor man's QB type build.
> Hope this isn't too much off topic... but build will include several Riv
> items and likely either RM016 Moustache or RM013 dirt drops with 10cm dirt
> drop stem, Tektro r559 brakes, and more.
> I'm dealing with a Raleigh frame with typical Raleigh threaded BB. I have
> a spare cup and cone BB scavenged from a trashed old Raleigh 10sp that
> installed easily but turns out the spindle is too short to match my spare
> 46t Raleigh crank (scavenged from a different frame and lost in a prior
> game of musical cranks.) The 46/49 double from the 10sp had been installed
> on a 3 speed rebuild with that 3 speed's original spindle and before I go
> down the cotter removal rabbit hole to free up that 46/49 double I'm
> thinking I may instead try to do one of the Sheldon Brown suggested mix n
> match square taper upgrades. So I'm on the hunt for a JIS square taper
> spindle for 73mm English shells to pair with the Raleigh BB cups that could
> allow me to try one of two available JIS cranks.... unless anyone has a VO
> threadless cartridge BB or Phil BB with Raleigh rings they are looking to
> maybe trade?
> I have Sakae SX 170mm and Ritchey 177.5 JIS cranks (NOS, scored from Riv a
> while back) both with 110bcd and a bunch of 110bcd rings I'd love to
> use instead of continuing to deal with cotters but have no remaining bike
> budget to buy a new BB at this time (and I missed the boat on a $30 VO sale
> of 107 threadless that now shows sold out.) Haven't had a chance to scour
> the bins at a co-op/bike church near my office yet but hoping to do
> so later this or next week. Guessing they may have a cotter press there
> (or just lots of experience whacking them out) since they work on a ton of
> old bikes but I'm beginning to think updating to square taper will serve me
> well going forward if this project turns into a keeper.
> If I understand correctly I'll still need different sized bearings (6mm as
> mentioned in Sheldon's Raleigh articles) if going JIS cup and cone spindle
> route so everything lines up better with the off spec bearing tracks of JIS
> spindle and Raleigh cups. Only spare cup and cone JIS spindles I have are
> I suppose a Phil BB with Raleigh rings is likely the ideal upgrade but not
> only is this the most costly, it additionally requires a Phil tool which I
> don't have (or shop labor for a shop that has a Phil tool and this isn't
> really that kind of build anyway... but if anyone has Phil BB with Raleigh
> rings plus a Phil tool available for trade maybe we could work something
> I guess what I'm really trying to say is that a VO threadless cartridge is
> probably the simplest and most straightforward option but I'm open
> to the alternatives.
> It's already taken me over a year to get this far on the build and I'm
> trying to avoid rushing anything at this point. Hoping to work this out
> methodically and with little to no additional expense... and I have a stash
> of parts that won't make it onto this next build and I'm willing to trade
> and open for discussion.
> Oh, right... spindle length: I think 107, 110, 113 should all likely work
> Ritchey cranks are 110/74 triple and I know they normally take really wide
> spindles but I've tested these as a double (single plus guard) on a 107/68
> and had a good chainline for a single speed.
> The Sakae SX double was previously used on a 113/68 and matched up pretty
> well with the same SS wheel and dos eno fw.
> Haven't taken full inventory of all spare stuff yet but here are most
> items that could probably be put on the trading block. Not listing prices
> since I'm not yet looking to sell anything... some of these have been put
> on hold for back-burner projects but I think I could let some go to help
> move this one along.
> VO Cigne Stem - 9cm - high polish - 31.8 - scratch/dent from their initial
> batch but still in great shape with only minor blemishes.
> Soma Highrider Threadless adapter (looong quill for using threadless
> stems) - black
> Bontrager alloy - 9/8" threadless stem - 25.4 clamp - 120mm - 10deg rise -
> 2-bolt - black
> Easton alloy - 9/8" threadless - 31.8 clamp - 90mm 6deg rise - 4-bolt -
> 44cm Giant drops - Black alloy - 31.8 - takeoffs from a friends CX bike
> that went with a flat bar conversion. Shape of the drops just don't work
> for me.
> Nitto RM-014f Dirt Drops - 52cm end to end - 31.8 - originally bought
> thinking they were more like a 31.8 version of RM013's. These have much
> more flare and not as useful ramps. Used briefly then went another
> direction. Still have another frame they may work out on with the VO Cigne
> stem and Big Dummy fork but it's really too small a frame and low priority
> at this point.
> Tektro TRP RRL - black on black (also have 2nd set of silver on black
> but currently installed on something but... if black vs silver levers is a
> deal breaker/deal maker I could work something out.)
> Shimano CX50 Canti brakes - one wheel's worth - NIB
> Tektro RL341 - short reach - Brake lever
> Tektro v-brake/long pull drop bar levers - forget the model name/# at the
> Tange 26" MTB Cromoly Fork - 1" threaded - 200mm steerer - ISO 26.4
> crownrace - Black - bought NOS from Bruce Gordon a while back but just
> never got around to installing on an old rigid frame.
> Surly Big Dummy - 9/8" threadless - 425mm axle to crown - Black - steerer
> still full length but used and star nut installed.
> Rivendell SimpleOne fork - 238mm steerer - 1" threaded - ISO 26.4
> crownrace - unpainted - installed as a dry fit but never used since the
> intended frame broke (cracked seatstay.)
> Schwinn road fork: 1" threaded From 1987 Traveler (from same frame meant
> for the SimpleOne fork) - JIS 27.0 crownrace ~238mm threaded steerer.
> Maybe some shifting bits (Paul thumbies + Silver adapters, misc front/rear
> derailers) and some racks (Nitto 32f mini, Wald Woody rear)
> Thank you and no photos available right now but could provide off list
> upon request of any interested items.
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville, NJ
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