Forgot to add this:

*“Corn is Life”: Agriculture, Spiritual Life, and Economic Change among the
Hopi*
*by Peter Moore*
This case study of the Hopi corn culture in northeastern Arizona focuses on
how the commodification of corn and the decline of subsistence farming has
impacted the religious and cultural lives of the Hopi, how this impact
parallels certain trends in Christian civilization in the West, and how it
reflects a corresponding loss in the symbolic content of the sacred world
and the decline of the traditional worldview that characterizes the
“fallenness” of man.
My brother Peter wrote this a few years ago; published in issue 22 of *Sacred
Web.*

Riv content: corn > food > bikes > Rivendell. It is very true that the SW
Indians were lean and hard until quite recently -- last 30 or 40 years,
when Federal welfare and the encroachment of big box stores allowed them to
choose the easy, unhealthy diet of the b*ilagáana*. (No political or
cultural points of view were injured by this statement.)

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 4:37 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, that is very interesting and good to know (though I am sorry that
> your family had those problems). I didn't know that. And I'm still not
> convinced that the genetic exception is absence of susceptibility to
> diabetes, etc., rather than susceptibility to these things. But I am (I
> like to think) open minded.
>
> And believe me, for the traditional Chinese (was married to one) and I
> expect for the Japanese too, not to mention the Filipinos, it was a lot of
> rice for a little sauce.
>
> Regarding berri berri: I'm old enough to have had a father who came from
> the old South, the Dorthea Lange south (tho' he came from an upper middle
> class family and was hardly typical of his era and place): back then,
> pelagra was epidemic, as so many of the poor -- a great part of the
> population, black and white -- ate mostly non-nixtamalized corn meal. But
> that's not the same as eating a great deal of corn or rice with sufficient
> amounts of beans or soy or other complementary foods. The Zunis and Hopis
> didn't have problems with berri berri or pelagra or, for that matter,
> diabetes -- this last, not until they started buying, instead, 20 lb sacks
> of cheap, bleached white flour for fry bread washed down with cases of
> cheap, off-brand soda, as I've often seen them stocking up on in Gallup, NM
> grocery stores.
>
> At any rate, I eat a great deal of carbs, though not huge amounts of rice,
> nor much processed carbs, and am pretty normal for weight and fitness for a
> half-breed Filipino/Scots Irish/English 63-year-old; and then too, my
> mother, as described -- not to mention the corn sacred (literally) to Hopis
> and others, Peruvian potatoes, and so forth. OTOH, traditional Inuit and
> Maasai diets ...
>
> I (just this once, Garth) agree with Garth: everyone eat what he wants!
>
> Patrick Moore, drinking a cold beer as he types, after a nice bosque ride,
> in ABQ, NM
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Ash <ashw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Patrick Moore: I think some people are blessed with genes that makes it
>> easy for them to process carbs.  Some of them don't even put on weight.  I
>> don't know about other Asian countries, but in India such people are rare.
>>  2 of my grand parents had diabetes and 3 of them had high BP and heart
>> issues. They were all physically quite active - worked in farm and led
>> strenuous life in general.  Both my parents have diabetes and heart
>> issues.  Culturally they all consumed 100% homemade food, including yogurt,
>> butter, ghee and so forth. There is no processed food whatsoever.   Rarely
>> ate any sweet treats.  I can't find anything other than rice to blame.
>>
>> There are lot of good ingredients in our curries, soups and 'subzi's.
>> The issue is, I think, the proportion.  For us, curries are there as means
>> of making rice or roti taste better.  When I go to Japanese, Chinese or
>> Thai restaurants I see it the other way around.  Lots of vegetables/meat
>> and a small bowl of rice on the side.  Probably Indians too should start
>> eating our rice with chopsticks instead of using fingers :)
>>
>> If the following story is any indicator, even in Japan white rice hasn't
>> helped.
>> https://medium.com/war-is-boring/eating-too-much-rice-almost
>> -sank-the-japanese-navy-f985772c81a6
>>
>> Similar thing happened in my family too while I was growing up.  As my
>> dad started doing slightly better financially, we switched from brown rice
>> (hand-pounded by my mom or grandma to remove husk) to white rice.  If this
>> switch hadn't happened, they would have been much more healthier, IMO.
>> Because their lifestyle and rest of the diet was just fine.
>>
>> After reading EBDJ, I frequently measure my blood glucose and have been
>> tracking food and the numbers in a spreadsheet.  It is clear that the
>> number shoots way up when I consume white rice, roti, naan and quinoa.  I
>> do not see that when I eat grains that are slow to digest, such as farro,
>> brown rice, etc.  Even with those grains, unless I heavily moderate, the
>> weight starts to creep up.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 10 March 2018 17:26:04 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I forgot to add that, when my mother developed "type 2" diabetes at
>>> about age 70, she effectively controlled it for 20+ years without any
>>> medication with a strict diet composed of lots of vegetables, fish and
>>> styrofoam chicken breasts, and regular and large helpings of white rice.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 6:21 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *My food preference has been a contentious matter for us for years.
>>>> Often it felt like I had to just embrace the fact that I'm going to be
>>>> diabetic a few years down the road, in order to not strain our
>>>> relationship.  In last few months though, somehow things have gotten
>>>> better.  Because of an incident, she has stopped being in denial about the
>>>> harmfulness of carbs. *
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I completely misunderstand what you are saying, but just in case:
>>>> Are you saying that the traditional Indian diet (north or south) conduces
>>>> to diabetes? Having lived in India and Pakistan as a boy for a total of 10
>>>> years, I never, ever, *ever* heard that the traditional diet of rice
>>>> or chapatis, lentils, vegetables, dairy, spices, with a little meat or fish
>>>> in the event, was conducive to any chronic or degenerative disease; quite
>>>> the contrary, just as with the white rice + fish + vegetables + coconut oil
>>>> + fruit diet of my Filipino ancestors.
>>>>
>>>> The Japanese, notorious, nay, infamous eaters of great quantities of
>>>> polished white rice, have been long noted for *not *having heart
>>>> disease, diabetes, etc, and they are all outliving their social systems!
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there is carb and there is carb; white rice, whole wheat
>>>> flour, beer, versus the cookie aisle in the grocery store and all the
>>>> horrible corn syrup and sugar the factories add to artificial foods to make
>>>> them palatable.
>>>>
>>>> Patrick Moore, vegan for the 6 weeks of Great Lent (well, with a couple
>>>> of slips) in strangely warm ABQ, NM (whose daughter is even now making Thai
>>>> vegetarian curry).
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Ash <ash...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> L.G.Fong asked:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Will you be able to Eat regularly with your family without
>>>>> alienating anyone? Serious question
>>>>>
>>>>> This is indeed a serious problem.  Unless rest of the family also has
>>>>> similar health/weight goals/awareness and their idea of what's healthy 
>>>>> diet
>>>>> is same as (at least similar to) yours and .. and ...   One should 
>>>>> consider
>>>>> him/herself extremely lucky if those all stars are aligned.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case I didn't even attempt keto diet. Significantly reducing
>>>>> carbs itself is a pretty radical life change for an Asian Indian
>>>>> vegetarian.  Traditionally carbs are 80-90% of our diet.  For breakfast,
>>>>> for lunch and for dinner.  In other words, it is Indian buffet everyday :)
>>>>>
>>>>> My food preference has been a contentious matter for us for years.
>>>>> Often it felt like I had to just embrace the fact that I'm going to be
>>>>> diabetic a few years down the road, in order to not strain our
>>>>> relationship.  In last few months though, somehow things have gotten
>>>>> better.  Because of an incident, she has stopped being in denial about the
>>>>> harmfulness of carbs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people might go, just cook your own meal or just don't eat the
>>>>> carb part.  Things are never that simple in real life :|
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 23:08:28 UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you EBDJ can you still do an Indian food buffet once a week
>>>>>> without reversing the EBDJ effectiveness?
>>>>>> Serious question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will you be able to Eat regularly with your family without alienating
>>>>>> anyone? Serious question.
>>>>>>
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