Agreed... I think that is why I cling to the older style frames, though I am tiring of the chase there. I just measured my favorite (road) bike, a 650B conversion that works incredibly well, and it is 62cm ST (ctc) with a 57cm level TT, 10cm Nitto stem... If it ever came to that, lottery winnings in hand(!), I might just send it off to a builder and ask them to build me the same bike, with only a few more braze-ons and a few minor tweaks.
That said, the Rivendell bikes have always worked really well for me, not that I have had that many, and never the Waterford or custom versions. My Appaloosa is a a truly excellent bike, a little heavy with my touring build but that's mostly on me. I had a Romulus that I still miss (a 61cm). I totally agree on the effective TT length and reach being really important. I have bikes sized between 58-63cm (ST) but they all fall between 58-60cm TT. Well, the Appaloosa does not, but a 6cm stem brought the bars back in. And I will say the newer, sloping top tube Riv's help get a level bars/saddle height balance that I prefer. Bob On Monday, April 30, 2018 at 3:56:13 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > ... If I had a custom, I'd like the seat tube of the bigger one, and the > top tube of the smaller one. > > >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.