I am in the longer legs than torso group and was in between a 51cm 26" and 
53cm 650B MIT Atlantis. I did not want 26" wheels. The stand over of the 53 
works for me but my shorter torso and the longer top tube of the 53 was an 
issue for drop bars. The zero analog stem will allow me to use Nitto Dirt 
Drops on the 53. Other upright bars will not be an issue. 

I also have a 1987 Panasonic MC7500 old school 26" HT MTB. It's a hand 
brazed Tange Prestige MTB tubed frame. The TT is the same length, 
57.5cm, as the 53 MIT Atlantis. I had Noodles on it with an 8cm Nitto dirt 
drop stem but I was too stretched out. I had to go to Albatross bars. If 
the Atlantis ends up with upright bars the Analog stem can be used on the 
Panasonic.



On Wednesday, May 16, 2018 at 11:29:27 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't disagree; I haven't followed the thread closely, but I gather that 
> the Analog stem is part of a system, and not meant to be a universal 
> improvement -- it's meant to be used with certain kinds of frames for 
> certain kinds of riding. They may well be right; if I were for example to 
> convert another "NORBA"-style frameset to longish-reach drops, I might well 
> be interested in trying one of these stems.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Bob Keal <bob...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting take, Patrick. I agree wholeheartedly that "...stems with 
>> extensions used with drop bars, and bikes built to use them both, have been 
>> around too long to be mere mistakes in design." At the same time, it seems 
>> to me that Analog isn't saying bike design is wrong or that people have 
>> been making mistakes all this time. I do think that they're saying that the 
>> (W)right Stem is another way to find comfort on a bicycle, and that in 
>> their experience it doesn't affect a bike's handling in a negative way. 
>> Therefore, the result is a net positive for folks looking to use drop bars 
>> on bikes that would otherwise be generally swept-back bar or upright riders 
>> based on geometry.
>>
>> One point I've seen them state somewhere is that modern MTBs use very, 
>> very short stems. Of course, this is based off of fundamental shifts in 
>> overall geometry that are aiming for a certain type of handling, but the 
>> point remains: modern MTB designers aren't (necessarily) saying that NORBA 
>> bikes were *wrong*. Really, current mountain bike designers are saying, 
>> "Maybe we learned something from what we came up with so far, and hey, 
>> maybe there's another way to do this that will work better for x or y 
>> reasons." And in my view Analog is saying something similar through the 
>> design and creation of their stems.
>>
>> In other words, it seems like Analog is saying here's another option 
>> rather than saying it's the only one.
>>
>> Bob K. in Baltimore
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