On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 7:28:05 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I have a Joe Appaloosa with a Mark’s rack, Wald medium and a rear 
> rack.That is all fine and good, but I was thinking of getting a front 
> lowrider rack to throw on when I am going camping. Partly to experiment 
> with weight distribution. 
> What do you all like? 
> I see the Tubus Duo <https://www.tubus.com/product.php?xn=17> (need 
> double sided eyelets which I have) and Tara 
> <https://www.tubus.com/product.php?xn=16> (which has the hoop). $120
> Salsa Down Under Rack 
> <https://salsacycles.com/components/category/racks/down_under_front_rack>. 
> Aluminum. $65
> Riv Hub Area rack. 7 lb (really?) weight limit. Sold out/discontinued.
>
> Any others that people love? Thoughts on steel v aluminum?
>

I have three bikes with lowrider racks – An older Toyo Atlantis 
<https://flic.kr/p/263u21M> outfitted with Nitto Campee front 
<https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-campee-27f-front-rack---700c/front_mount_rack_nitto__870-780-11/product>
 
and rear racks 
<https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-campee-rear-rack---700c/rear_mount_rack_nitto__870-802-11/product>;
 
a Boulder Bicycle All-Road <https://flic.kr/p/263tXUr> with Velo-Orange's 
Campeur front rack 
<https://velo-orange.com/collections/racks/products/campeur-front-rack>; 
and a Litespeed Blue Ridge <https://flic.kr/p/241TNNj> with traditional 
lowrider racks from Tubus.

I've ridden all of these bikes with panniers weighing about 10 pounds each 
on the lowriders, and they all work fine. A few notes:

   1. front loading makes steering a little unresponsive at first (but 
   you'll get used to it quickly).
   2. Large-ish Ortlieb "Back Roller Plus" panniers fit fine in the front 
   spot, and clear the road, but you'll need to be wary of curbs. I crashed 
   once when the curb (or something) grabbed a front pannier.
   3. Structurally, the Tubus traditional lowrider rack felt the most 
   secure and rigid, but they require a lowrider braze-on (urge, no P-clamps) 
   that a lot of forks don't have
   4. Although still fully functional, the Nitto and VO racks flex 
   laterally, especially under heavier loads.
   5. A positive for the non-traditional Nitto and VO lowrider racks is 
   they are two-in-one, so you can sit a front bag or basket on top.
   6. Be aware that the VO rack has an odd lowrider size that didn't really 
   agree with Ortlieb bags (small or large), as it was impossible to find a 
   good perch for the non-elastic stabilizer hook used throughout the Ortlieb 
   pannier line.

Generally speaking, front loading works for me. One thing I did notice and 
do not like is that you need to retain some resemblance of left-right load 
balancing for front loading, unlike rear loading. Once, I had it unbalanced 
(probably by <4 pounds), and was too lazy to move things around. After 
30-odd miles, my shoulders became knotted and sore. Be forewarned! I do 
enjoy being able to pedal off saddle much easier with front load-only 
versus any permutation with a rear load.

On steel versus aluminum, having owned both, it's steel for me. For one 
thing, I've never seen aluminum lowrider racks until your link to the Salsa 
rack; I wonder how rigid they are, with the tubes having relatively small 
diameter and being tubular. For another, aluminum racks of sufficient 
strength tend to appear bulky to me (thinking of Topeak racks, which are 
fully-functional and reasonably priced). Plus you can chrome or 
nickel-plate steel racks to make them pretty and durable. I know, mostly 
aesthetics, and especially irrelevant as racks are mostly covered by bags 
anyway.

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