Ron, perhaps I misunderstood your post. The picture shows two brakes, neither Pauls, and a note saying these are the brakes Paul recommends. But perhaps your note referred to my previous quote rather than your pictures. Sorry if I came across as overly argumentative.
Michael On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 7:48:44 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote: > > those are the pads Paul brakes were designed for, and the only pads that > Paul sells. > Achieving proper alignment and toe is everything in brakes, and good > cartridge pads with some degree of spherical freedom is the answer. > > <https://imgur.com/PS0TQNr.jpg> <https://imgur.com/KZ9MDRn.jpg> > > The Yokozuna cartridges took the Weinmann SPs from marginally scary to > more than adequate. The Dura cartridges gave the CPs all the power of Paul > cantis (there's nothing beyond lockup), but of course not the modulation of > Paul cantis. > > > On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 6:41:56 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: >> >> Ok I agree that all of the popular style of brake design can be made into >> very good brakes.... but..... >> >> I have never owned or even ridden a bike with "disk" brakes, but looking >> at them they seem to offer two advantages. First they can accommodate much >> larger pads; second, their position, further from the road could make them >> less likely to get grimy, especially with road tar & oil. (See my last >> paragraph on this.) >> >> While all the currently popular designs are functional, good brakes & >> good braking relies just as much on three other variables - execution, >> setup, and maintenance. >> >> Many years ago I put a pair of Dia Compe hi profile cantis on a Trek 620. >> They looked like a good brake with a very traditional design but nothing >> ever improved their very weak power. I concluded that it wasn't the design >> but the execution. About 20 years ago I had a set of Shimano low profile >> cantis mated to Ultegra brifters. They were very difficult to set up and >> barely stopped the bike. The brifters simply pulled too much cable for >> them. Switching to Tectro levers helped quite a bit, but ultimately bought >> a set of Paul's neo Retros and felt much safer on my daily commute. I now >> owe Paul my life, which makes me a pretty loyal user! >> >> Finally maintenance. Recently, in a single day the braking on our tandem >> went from deteriorating to almost non existent. I cleaned the rims, which >> had road tar on them. Things did not get better. Inspection showed that >> the salmon pads also had black smear across the surface. I had to file off >> a micrometer of pad to get back to rubber. >> >> Finally, there may not be a need for "better" pads but there is a need >> for different pads. I find that the slimline pads are much easier to set >> up on bikes with wide rims, at least with my Paul's brakes. In fact they >> are the only pads that will not brush the tire on their way to the rims. >> >> Michael >> >> On Thursday, June 14, 2018 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday we'll have some really good brake pads. I found out about >>> them from a customer/friend, who is not prone to raving and wasn't trying >>> to "turn me on" to his favorite widget, so I listened a bit harder and we >>> got samples. There's no need for better brake pads than Shimano or >>> Yokozuma...but these seem to be it, anyway, and they have other advantages, >>> at least in the V-brake version. I'm not sure if they're lockerupppers >>> (that has an odd political feel to it these days, not intended), but they >>> are remarkable, and if I didn't know what pads I had, I'd think wow, these >>> are amazing, I want more.. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Tim Gavin <tim....@littlevillagemag.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Joe- >>>> >>>> With QR wheels, it can be tricky to get the disc rotor in *exactly* the >>>> same place as the last time. The answer is to use the exact same method >>>> each time you replace a wheel. >>>> >>>> Through-axles make this more fool-proof. >>>> >>>> But there will be neither disc brakes nor through-axles on the upcoming >>>> Riv MTB, so it's irrelevant here. Grant will build what he wants, and >>>> with >>>> the more "reasonable" MIT pricing, he'll sell all the bikes he orders. >>>> >>>> >>>> Speaking of irrelevant elephants, I think "Olyphant" is a good name for >>>> this upcoming Rivbike, as it harkens back to the mammoth badge on the >>>> Hunq. >>>> >>>> But not Timothy Olyphant, that name is taken. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> P.S. >>>> Personally, I prefer disc brakes on most bikes. But then, I'm #250 and >>>> have regularly been disappointed with the stopping power of rim brakes. >>>> Even with Paul Racers, I could never lock up the front wheel on my Riv >>>> Road >>>> (not that I would want to, but it's a measure of braking power). It was >>>> frustrating to fully squeeze the brake lever and still feel the bike >>>> creeping forward. And this was with very well tuned brakes with a low >>>> straddle cable. >>>> >>>> I just replaced the fork on my Riv Road with the spare forks Crust was >>>> selling (from the Romanceur, I believe). Now I have low trail, rack >>>> eyelets, and a disc brake on my touring bike. >>>> >>>> My next MTB will have a steel frame, but will be otherwise pretty >>>> modern. I'm starting to build up an All-City Electric Queen >>>> <https://allcitycycles.com/bikes/electric_queen>! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well I said I was going to let it go so I will, but you shouldn't be >>>>> having to reset your brakes every time you pull a wheel on a disc bike. >>>>> The >>>>> pads don't come out of adjustment unless you're knocking them back. 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