FWIW, The original orange Clementine is PERFECT , just utterly the perfect name and color to go with it. It is womans name, a fruit ? Either/or, it doesn't matter to me. Calling it a Clem-L(in this case it stands for LESS the Whole name !) .... seems like it was edited to suit some agenda over their original wisdom in choosing the name in the first place. Imagine wanting to call your daughter Clementine, but "someone in the cheap seats" in the family complains because they consider it offensive for some reason. Press them on the validity of those reasons, and they go blanco and it becomes apparent they've bought into an opinion they've heard, heresay... which isn't anything at all.
I grew up with an AWESOME Mom . Amazing things happen when you trust your kids to be themselves, and she instinctively knew this in us all. That's strength you know ..... it's not about what you accomplish or don't accomplish .... it's about what you ARE ... which is THAT you ARE ..... in celebration of this utter simplicity and profondness , yes ... profound fondness... appreciation ....real LOVE ... just for Being. Being-Oneself is neither offensive or defensive, neither defends or offends .... in Love there is no "other" at all. On Saturday, November 16, 2019 at 5:34:02 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > > Hmm...the name, the name.... I have thought about this issue many times > and I think I’m finally ready to say something about it. I expect to get > some harsh responses, but hopefully it’s not because you think I’m being > harsh; I am merely intending to have a conversation with you. Pretend there > is coffee. > > Rivendell has fans of both the male and female variety. Clearly, I’m in > the latter group, so that is from where my perspective is coming to you. > Over the years I’ve heard plenty of comments like “Oh, I love that bike > except that it’s a mixte.” Or “I don’t know if I’m man enough to ride the > Cheviot/Betty.” Once someone told me that he wouldn’t ever consider a mixte > frame (due to its feminine connotation and nothing else) until he was old > and feeble, and EVEN THEN, he’d still try to avoid it in favor of a diamond > frame. Grant obliterated the name Clementine in favor of Clem Smith, Jr so > as to take gender out of it, but really, just the feminine name was > eliminated and a masculine replaced it. That one hurt. The new Hillibikes > are being offered with two names, one feminine, and it seems like some > consider that a knock against the bike. To say you can’t live with Susie > Longbolts (sp) but Gus Boots Willsen is great seems unlikely. They are both > goofy names. > > 2 issues: > 1. Why does it seem feminine names are polarizing? What is it about a > mixte or step-through that a man might see as threatening to their > masculinity? Is femininity seen as derogatory? Weak? Shameful? What? > 2. Why are women expected to ride bikes with male names and not be > offended? A man can’t ride a bike with the name Clementine because it > doesn’t represent him, but a women is expected to ride her Joe Appaloosa, > or her Clem Smith Jr without complaint. > > Leah > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ed8fe671-2eec-4465-bd0a-5edcb5f69f47%40googlegroups.com.
