I don’t think you’re imagining things. What sold me on the 52 was riding an 
orange 52 at Rivelo. I rode the 50 Cheviot at the same time and it was just not 
as plush, but fit ok. 

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> On Jan 5, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have imagined starting a new thread about this, but I fear it will come 
> off as ugly or mean and I don’t want that. 
> 
> What I mean to find out is whether the expanded geometry of the newest 
> generation of Rivendells really is superior compared to the earlier bikes. 
> I’m most curious about LWB bikes that were made even longer in the new 
> iterations of Riv models. The Clems, most of all. Can anyone say the new 
> super long Clem rides superiority to the old Clem? 
> 
> If you read the Reddit AMA with Grant, LWB comes up frequently, and he offers 
> his thoughts about stability and comfort. I agree with Grant there - I think 
> my Clementine rode nicer than my Betty Foy. Further confirming this, I had 
> both bikes in MN this summer and I let my sister borrow one; we both always 
> wanted the Clementine. We had to take turns like we were 5 again. She now has 
> her chameleon green Clem L, and she says the same things I do - it’s a 
> different bike. Prior to her Clem, she stole her husband’s 59 Clem L in 
> grilver and really grew to like it, though it should have been too big for 
> her (she’s 5’8”). She hasn’t taken to her new Clem, but since it didn’t 
> arrive until Sept, she doesn’t have enough miles to really know her bike yet. 
> But still, it is suspicious that she feels like I do about her bike.
> 
> Can I say the Clem L with new geometry rides better than the Clementine? No. 
> I would have liked to keep the dimensions of the Clementine with the upgrades 
> to appearance of the Clem L (thinner tubing, cream accents, heart seat lug, 
> and gorgeous paint). And now that I had to spend money for my bike rack to 
> take it, and have hit it on my garage wall trying to back that long bike up, 
> I miss the shorter Clementine.
> 
> I still really like the Clems and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them, but 
> I’m not sure the 52 is still the right size for me. I’m 5’6” and 83(?) PBH. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:50 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm starting to think making the 52cm Clem bigger than it used to be was a 
>> bad idea...
>> 
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