Important to note here too is the reality that with the mixte/low swooping 
top tube of a Clementine (I persist in calling it that, though technically 
the Clem L) and the Hillibikes Gus Boots Willsen et al, a person will "fit" 
2-3 frame sizes, so part of the frame buying process is to understand which 
one makes sense for the riding a person does. It creates the idea for the 
buyer that "I could go medium and more aggressive bars (noodles, moustache, 
etc), or large and bullmoose/wavy/Jones, or XL and and more upright, back 
bars. What kind of riding do I do? 

With abandon,
Patrick

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