John: FWIW, I have very often carried 30 lb and more -- record, weighed,
was 45 lb -- in rear panniers on light steel frames with stiff racks; racks
including either the wonderfully stiff but only 11 oz Tubus Fly, or my
various Chauncey Matthews customs. Not for long distances; =/< 10 miles;
but securely and without intolerable frame flex drama. In fact, the best
rear load carrier I've owned was a quite-light, *tout-531,* early '70s road
bike with standard gauge tubing; it was on this one that I grunted 45 lb up
a steep hill at cadences as low as 4 mph/20 rpm;(recall the "4" flickering
on my computer); other bikes, including the Roads and the Ram, with stiffer
tubing, haven't handled rear loads over 30 lb as well.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 3:33 PM John Phillips <w00lyb3...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>      I'm sorry, I meant *how* do you like to carry your 30 lbs of
> groceries when you're riding your Quickbeam? Do you distribute the weight?
> Load it on a rack, in panniers, in a backpack, or? Just curious about how
> you end up handling that much weight on your Quickbeam?
>
> John
>
> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 2:22:13 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> You know, John, it's not something I plan to do, but everytime I've done
>> it, it's gone well. I'd describe it as road credit card touring worthy, but
>> I'd not want to do single track with that type of weight.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 3:08:09 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick, how do you like to carry 30lbs of groceries on your Quickbeam?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 10:35:27 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I just returned from a spirited grocery run on the "wrong" bike
>>>> (Quickbeam), and it handled it just fine, as presumed. To the point of
>>>> having multiple bikes and enjoying each for what it is apart from the
>>>> question of which would you keep if you could only have one, it was a
>>>> delight to hop on the QB and feel how spritely it is, ride into a 30 mph
>>>> headwind at 16˚F (what's that make the windchill?), get to the grocery,
>>>> discover bulk orders of this and that came in, could I take them to free up
>>>> the fridge space? A few straps and my belt later (I only carry two Irish
>>>> straps on the QB), and home I came with 30 lbs of groceries, having only
>>>> anticipated half a pound. Grin. Completely different ride than if I'd taken
>>>> the Hunqapillar or GBW, and I still got done what ended up needing doing.
>>>> Grin. The more I switch between the long and short wheelbases, the easier
>>>> it is and the more I appreciate each for the amazing machine it is.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
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