>
> Well, I want to like Long chainstays and long wheelbases; I REALLY REALLY 
> do, but honestly I don't think the benefits are really there.


More comfortable? More stable?  Was I uncomfortable or unstable before? No 
not really.
 There's far more downsides than up.
The comfort is provided via a flexier frame, don't think a frame has to be 
super stiff and some flex can be a good thing. bu there will be power loss 
on a big flexy, heavy bike.
Stability? My Clementine isn't any more stable then any other bike and I 
find I've got to slow much more for tightish turns so I don't overshoot the 
apex and land in a bush.
In the meantime you've got a much heavier bike (let's face it this is not 
Columbus SL tubing) and unnecessary weight is never a good thing. the main 
advantage of this design is nobody's going to compare the weight of your 
bike with another bike of similar dimensions, because there aren't any. So 
if you use a slightly cheaper/heavier tubing nobody can bust you on it.

Basically, I am not opposed to longer stay's or long wheel bases 
necessarily, I just want to understand how these dimensions are arrived at? 
what is merely long and what is too long? On the Clem's and My Clementine 
it almost seems like a cost saving measure that's sold as some sort of 
advantage?  The chain stays are pretty much straight! Not having to bend 
those is probably cheaper!? And like I said tubing doesn't have to be that 
great, it's understood it's going to be a heavy bike.

I think it's an unfortunate Gimmicky fad and I am ready for it to be over. 

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