Correct Drw, which brings us back to it's a talk frame with out-of-vogue 
wheels. The reality about production Rivs you usually know if you fit or not, 
and it's pretty hard to stipulate one made to Grant's specs at Waterford, Toyo 
or Taiwan is inferior in any noticeable way to a custom. 

I'm getting a custom made to my specific desires and dimensions, but will it be 
"better" than other Rivs I've owned? I doubt it. It'll be special just for me 
in my color choice from the great Joe Bell and this is all worth what I'm 
paying. But my almost comically cheaper Clem L is probably 99% as good as far 
as how a bike works.  

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