Collin, I really dug the photos of your Clem, lots of great ways to camp on 
that bike! Especially love the bottle behind the seat tube.

Would love to hear more about that Lava Beds route, if you could 
elaborate...

On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of the large voluminous bags that allow you to stuff all 
> sorts of things into them, rather than strapping all sorts of bags 
> everywhere; Think BagsxBird and Sackville saddle sacks. That being said, I 
> find that having one or two accessory bags strapped to the handlebars help 
> with organization that the large bags aren't so good at - tool bag, 
> phone/camera bag, first aid - things you want easy access to and you don't 
> have to go digging for.
>
> Re: Bikepacking bags - I found that they are mostly designed to operate 
> without racks, which tend to save a big chunk of weight, and the smaller 
> bags encourage only bringing what you need. However, it is part of a *system 
> *which means you will also need the super packable tent, sleeping bag, 
> cookset, etc. to make it operate well ($$$$$$)
>
> Personally, I like to run a hybrid system with a bagsxbird bag attached to 
> the handlebars, a bedrock tapeats to hold my phone, camera, and wallet; 
> half-framebag; sackville bagboy bag supported by a tumbleweed t-rack that I 
> can attach mini-paniers (for longer trips) or extra bottle cages for more 
> water if needed. The perk with this setup is it allows for easy removal of 
> all bags to lighten the bike up for a day ride once you get to your 
> destination and explore the park/reserve/forest you are staying at. An 
> album that I occsionally update is here, if you are curious: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/JU2uuwp957K5S5H79
>
> Just daydreaming now,
> Collin in Sac
>
> On Monday, April 20, 2020 at 8:38:26 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Aren't the bikepacker-type of bags meant to make riding easier in bush, 
>> and also to save a wee bit of weight for those who like minimalist camping? 
>> Just curious; I agree that, if these aren't the reasons, I can't see why 
>> you'd forgo racks and panniers. Racks and panniers are certainly better for 
>> errands and they are my preferred setup because they allow such flexibility 
>> of volume 1 or a pair of either Sports Packers or Backrollers.
>>
>> Tubus racks were my choice until I started having customs made; the Fly 
>> -- no longer made -- weighed 11 oz but was rated to 20 kg and several of 
>> them served me well indeed.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 8:11 AM Pat Smith <pbsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a big fan of the traditional 2 pannier setup. All these special 
>>> bikepacking bags seem more hassle than they are worth. 
>>>
>>> Get a decent rack, like a Blackburn Grid (or something nicer if you're 
>>> feeling fancy) and a pair of Ortlieb backrollers and you're good to go for 
>>> a night or two. The space on top of the rack between the two panniers is 
>>> good for bungee cording a tarp/footprint or whatever else is weatherproof. 
>>> What I found was getting the actual camping gear was more effort (bag, 
>>> tent, pad, cookware, etc.). I do like a small handlebar or saddle bag for 
>>> my cell/keys/wallet type of items. 
>>>
>>> Two panniers may be a bit overkill on a S24O in warm weather, but if 
>>> you're only on your bike for a day or so the little extra weight and 
>>> capacity won't kill you.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:41:08 PM UTC-4, J L wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all, 
>>>>
>>>> I would love to hear how folks have set up a bike for camping duty. Any 
>>>> sage advice? I am looking forward to a time where I can ride out from the 
>>>> house, do one or two overnights, and ride home. 
>>>>
>>>> Let’s say in this scenario I am doing more than putting stuff in a 
>>>> backpack or bike basket and going. 
>>>>
>>>> Jason 
>>>> SF, CA
>>>
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