James, thanks.  I had 3 customs, a 53,54 and after Grant measured my PBH a
56 which gave me no clearance.  The 55cm Bleriot gives me a bit of room.
Sounds like the 51 in the Joe or Homer, or 50 in the Atlantis would work.
I would like to find the most comfortable and stable bike.  The new
geometry seems to be a change due to the sloped TT, I need to learn more
about this.  I like the biggest bike I can ride, I think that is what
confused me with the new sizing.

Thanks

Joel

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:13 PM James Valiensi <jpvalie...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
> Standover clearance is really over rated. I find that I never stand over
> my bike with both feet on the ground and the bike frame perpendicular to
> the ground. At stops, my right foot is on the peddle and the bike is
> leaning to towards the left. So this adds clearance. I start off by leaning
> the bike towards my left side and swinging my right leg over, and clipping
> in the right pedal. When a start to move, I stand on the right pedal and
> lift myself on to the saddle. So, never is top tube clearance an issue.
> I’ve ridden bikes that had top tubes much higher than my crotch and it was
> not a problem.
> That said, you should be able to straddle your bike with both feet on the
> ground. But even if the top tube is touching you slightly, you be okay.
> If you like to ride upright, then bigger frames are a plus, as long as the
> top tube isn’t too long.
> I’ve got a 55cm Rivendell custom and a 51 Joe A. Both fit perfectly. I
> could ride one size smaller or larger on the J.A. But the custom is perfect
> and bigger or smaller would not be acceptable. That has more to do with the
> head tube length and bottom-bracket drop than any other reason.
>
> Best regards,
>
> On Jun 28, 2020, at 7:10 AM, Joel Stern <jrster...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and the
> new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my Bleriot
> where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and Appaloosa I would
> take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for those that
> follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more
> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can
> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years ago I
> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from my
> wife today it was on first measurement 80.645 and on second at 81.28 and a
> third at 82.5. Now when Grant measure me I thought I would pass out (well
> not really but it was a bit drastic) and the bike had no extra standover
> for me. The Bleriot has a bit of standover so I have no doubt that I could
> probably go down a bit. It also looks like the TT have gotten even longer
> on these bikes, not maybe the added degree of slope makes that a non issue
> and maybe there is something there with position of the rider on these.
> Do the longer chain stays contribute to more comfort?
> I also ride upright.
>
> So I guess I am confused.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
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