> Seth was right, there really is nothing new.

Can say that again:

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On Apr 12, 5:26 pm, William <[email protected]> wrote:
> As I understand it, a Monstercross is one of many alternative mountain
> bikes.  The key defining characteristics of a monstercross appear to
> be:
>
> 700C wheels
> No suspension
> Drop or drop inspired handlebars
>
> >45c tires
>
> Clearly the Hunqapillar could easily have all the above, so I guess it
> could be a monstercross.  Put racks and smooth fatties on it, then
> it's your new category, the monster tour.  I guess there are Adventure
> Touring and Expedition categories, though.  Seth was right, there
> really is nothing new.
>
> On Apr 12, 3:15 pm, JoelMatthews <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Never heard that term before.
>
> > Does Monster Cross refer to a cross county race in real rugged
> > conditions?  Or does it mean real long self-supported tours?
>
> > I see the Hunq as possibly a very good candidate for the latter.  I
> > think racers would be concerned about the weight - aren't racers
> > always obsessing about weight - of the Hunq.
>
> > As for water bottle placement - the old French diagonal campers found
> > room for multiple bottle cages.  Not sure why a Hunq with a diagnoal
> > tube would not.
>
> > > Why does everybody try to categorize everything?
>
> > I read somewhere (maybe the NYTimes?) that most humans will
> > comfortably follow three sub-plots in a novel or movie.  Any more,
> > they lose place and ultimately interest.  Probably the need to plug
> > things into pigeon holes helps people keep to three sub-plots in life.
>
> > On Apr 12, 4:56 pm, William <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > So does the Hunqapillar qualify as a Monstercross bike?  I wasn't
> > > familiar with the term until recently.  Why does everybody try to
> > > categorize everything?
>
> > > On Apr 8, 7:22 am, JoelMatthews <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so
> > > > > popular ..... why are they not sold in mass?
> > > > > I see a warmish response here in this forum .... but you know how some
> > > > > things go ..... people say they love the design ..... but when it
> > > > > comes time to actually
> > > > > buy and own one ..... "personal reality" checks in. . .  . and they
> > > > > may not want it.  It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike
> > > > > show .... it looks great .... you drool over it ...
> > > > > but you just don't get one ..... for whatever reason..... usually it's
> > > > > too far "out of the norm". What would so and so think? ... etc.
>
> > > > I missed this from Garth earlier.  Couldn't one say the same about any
> > > > Riv design, or, for that matter, lugged steel bike? If lugged steel
> > > > bikes are sold in mass, I have yet to see them.
>
> > > > Bikes with extra tubes are more expensive to make, and thus buy.  They
> > > > are also heavier than most bikes. Many people never ride with loads
> > > > and to places such a bike would be needed.  For those few who do,
> > > > having some attractive priced options from Riv make sense.
>
> > > > On Apr 7, 6:40 pm, James Dinneen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Good point about the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike 
> > > > > should have multiple, easily available water bottles.      Jim D.     
> > > > >               Massachusetts
>
> > > > > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Garth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > From: Garth <[email protected]>
> > > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar
> > > > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" <[email protected]>
> > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM
>
> > > > > If they're going diagonal ..... what do they do about water bottles ?
> > > > > Design is one thing, but what about practicality?
>
> > > > > While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are all
> > > > > about triangles ...... more of them doesn't necessarily mean better.
> > > > > Double top tubes parallel
> > > > > looks masculine...... works great for carrying and stand
> > > > > mounting....... a diagonal or mixte tube doesn't.
>
> > > > > I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were so
> > > > > popular ..... why are they not sold in mass?
> > > > > I see a warmish response here in this forum .... but you know how some
> > > > > things go ..... people say they love the design ..... but when it
> > > > > comes time to actually
> > > > > buy and own one ..... "personal reality" checks in. . .  . and they
> > > > > may not want it.  It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike
> > > > > show .... it looks great .... you drool over it ...
> > > > > but you just don't get one ..... for whatever reason..... usually it's
> > > > > too far "out of the norm". What would so and so think? ... etc.
>
> > > > > The mind is an never ending ride to nowhere.
>
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