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Use oil on your chain. Chain-L will last 10K miles.

> On Jul 20, 2020, at 2:39 PM, Lyman Labry <lyman.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is interesting thread.  My new riv bike received May 5th must have some 
> type of wax treatment on it.  I’ve ridden it daily and drivetrain still looks 
> clean. Do you know who riv folks use on their bikes?  Also, wondering what 
> they clean drivetrain with before treating.  Thanks!
> 
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 3:42 PM Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:mhech...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> So.  To come back to this.  I ordered a bottle of Nix Frix Shun NFX, and have 
> been using it on my two bikes, my wife's bike and our tandem this summer.  
> The results have been excellent.  I don't know how much is this particular 
> lube or is application method, including wiping the outside  chain after 
> every ride; but I'm sold.  We ride predominantly on dirt roads and gravel 
> bike paths and my chains have remained clean and quiet since late May.  
> Actually, I found after three or four rides I really didn't need to wipe the 
> chain.  A big thank you to the people who recommended it.
> 
> Michael
> 
> On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 7:18:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, since 
> my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
> 
> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I live 
> in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I just ride; 
> I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing about.  I have 
> a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), and a custom 
> Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my daughter a Cheviot. 
>   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot of chains out on dirty 
> roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
> 
> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, rings 
> and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil lube and 
> wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the chains 
> inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first ride bleeds 
> oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil collects dirt, 
> which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new rings today, so 
> I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of cleaning 9 chains, I 
> watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off by the initial effort 
> and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; and wonder if it would 
> really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner and reduce wear?
> 
> Your experience, appreciated.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
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