I've come to love mitts for riding, even when it means the precipitation is 
rain. Maybe it's because I commute year round and I've accumulated more 
miles in the moments. I have an older pair with some sort of 
barrier/repellent shell gloves that are just right for those temps given 
their physical decline over their years of use. I've used some surface 
treatment to those to re-up their water resistance. Lots of choices for 
doing the same for leather. 

I haven't found lobster-format gloves that are insulated enough since my 
original Pearl Izumi pair finally failed two years ago. For me, not much 
functional dexterity loss if the mitts are roomy enough as compared to the 
lobster format. 

I am on the bandwagon of believing that cycling clothing companies do not 
comprehend much at all of my riding conditions, expectations or needs, so 
shopping the greater marketplace has produced some really good solutions 
that they have not.   Ponderosa's Canadian options are an awesome example.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:33:26 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’d guess not very well in a heavy rain. People love the mitts for snow 
> activities, so I’m sure they’re okay for quick trips in light showers. But 
> they are leather shells and not seam sealed.
>
> Honestly...if it’s cold enough to need these mitts, it’ll be snowing, not 
> raining. 
>
> The piggyback gloves would not be great in heavy rain either. I could see 
> the cloth portions getting wet quick and soaking through. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Eamon Nordquist <eamonr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Have you any time idea how they hold up in the rain?
>
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone!
>> I've brought these up in another thread, but thought I'd share again for 
>> the good of the group.
>>
>> Raber Gloves are made in Winnipeg...and the only reason I can find them 
>> as far south as Nebraska is that my favorite LBS gets in an order every 
>> winter. I have links to the gloves below where you can buy them from my 
>> favorite local place, but if you see these gloves for sale in person or on 
>> another site and you need good gloves, buy them.
>>
>> Garbage Mitts
>> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt
>> These are insulated leather gloves with cuff that is stretchy, snug, and 
>> comfy. I wore them on my ride today (18 degrees) and did not even need wool 
>> liner gloves. I think I could go below zero with these gloves + wool 
>> liners. They're not 100% windproof, but I'd say maybe 85-90% windproof. 
>> They're called Garbage Mitts because trash collectors in the Great White 
>> North use them.
>>
>> Piggyback Gloves
>> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/raber-gloves
>> I love these gloves for cool weather. Low 50s down to mid 30s maybe. With 
>> a wool liner, lower (but you can't beat the Garbage Mitts for low 30s and 
>> down). Just little easier for shifting and braking than the mitts. 
>>
>> I'd happily answer any questions you have about them. Just thought I'd 
>> share my favorite accessories with the group. I could easily see Rivendell 
>> selling these (if it ever got cold enough in the Bay Area). 
>>
>> Have a great weekend!
>>
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