I'll say that my Hillborne, with 40 Maraton Supremes, rides like a tank.  

A really expensive tank, with amazing suspension.  The Deore XTs and Mavic 
A719s and 36h lacing might have something to do with that, too.

I'm 200+ and typically ride with a timbuktu and a left pannier, lock/cables, 
etc... haven't ever felt a more glossy ride from a bike, though i can still 
feel the road perfectly, if that makes any sense.  
because it's so "sturdy" i do find it's much more important to unweight the 
seat on this bike or i get bounced, but that's more about my riding skills than 
anything.

-andrew


On Apr 21, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Johnny Alien wrote:

> Wow.  There is alot of great info here.  So the Hillborne is much
> tougher than I originally though.
> 
> As far as the double top tube on the Hunqapillar...I typically ride a
> 53 frame which means I would need the 48 Hunqapillar (if that's what I
> go with) which would not have the double top tube anyway.
> 
> Tough call..the Hunqa looks GREAT built up that way on the site but an
> orange hillborne with big wheels and Bullmoose bars would probably
> look equally great.
> 
> On Apr 21, 8:28 am, happyriding <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Apr 21, 5:14 am, Johnny Alien <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hmmm...it seems like it is not a crazy idea at all then.  I now have
>>> options!  Does anyone know if the Hunqapillar colors on the site are
>>> the final colors?
>> 
>> The last I read, they were thinking of offering two options: red panel/
>> headtube and orange panel/headtube.
>> 
>> As for the strength of the Sam Hillborne, here is what Rivendell
>> Reader #41 (which is free to download) said when introducing the Sam
>> Hillborne:
>> 
>> -------
>> The Sam may be even more versatile than the AHH, because the
>> tubing is slightly thicker (same gauge as the Atlantis), so it more
>> suited
>> to loaded touring. With AHH clearance, Atlantis tubing gauges, and a
>> fork that splits the diff, you can think of it as halfway between the
>> Atlantis and A. Homer Hilsen.
>> ------
>> 
>> I'm not sure what that fork comment is referring to (clearance?
>> tubing?).
>> 
>> I've read that the Atlantis tubing is butted .9/.6/.9.  And the same
>> Riv Reader that introduces the Hillborne has an article about the
>> Bombadil.  The article on the Bombadil says the tubing is .1 thicker
>> than the Atlantis, so that would make the tubes on the Bombadil 1.0
>> millimeter thick.  The article also says the Bomadil's down tube and
>> double top tubes are straight gauge (no butting).   The Hunqapillar is
>> described as having Bombadil stout tubing in the main tubes, which
>> presumably means the top and down tubes (and that might also be the
>> case for the down tube as well).
>> 
>> In any case, the Hunqapillar has 1.0 mm tubing, and the Sam Hillborne
>> and Atlantis have .9 mm tubing.   The Atlantis is recommended for
>> fully loaded touring.  Therefore, it seems like the Sam Hillborne is a
>> pretty stout bike.
>> 
>> Also, are you aware that the double top tube design of the Hunqapillar
>> has morphed into something different than depicted on the website?
>> The second top tube is most likely going to angle down and join the
>> seat tube in the middle of the seat tube.
>> 
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