Wow, I didn't realize the Hunqapillar was switched to green that early on.  
Wasn't the first batch released in early 2011?  And they were already doing 
green in 2012.  

I believe Will has stated the Hunqapillar will be back, but in a different 
form.  I look forward to seeing that. 

On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:48:14 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:

> I believe yours was built in 2012, and if you look at the Wayback Machine, 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20120519113952if_/http://www.rivbike.com/category-s/619.htm
> the 2012 website shows the Hunq without the cream seat tube rectangle.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
>
> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 4:19:57 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Hm, anybody know the history past the gray ones?
>>
>> I have a green Hunqapillar with no cream accent on the seat tube. Serial 
>> would be either...
>>
>> P12088 or F12088. There are too many coats of paint over it, and I can't 
>> exactly tell what the numbers/letters are. 
>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:45:04 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Huh, I guess my Riv memory ain't what it used to be, I seem to have 
>>> transposed Toyo-trained to Toyo-built. I know nothing! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:29:53 AM UTC-7 Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a link to the Wayback Machine for Rivbike in 2010 when the Hunq 
>>>> was new: 
>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20100430212618/http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/hunqapillar/50-713
>>>>
>>>> "The Hunqapillar frame is an interesting mix of materials and 
>>>> co-conspirators. It's made in Taiwan by a team of builders trained by 
>>>> Tetsu 
>>>> Ishigaki, of Toyo. The main tubes are the most expensive steel tubing we 
>>>> could find anywhere --- Japanese Kaisei 8630 heat-treated. The seat and 
>>>> chainstays are excellent Taiwan CrMo. The fork is made in Japan by Tetsu 
>>>> Ishigaki at Toyo."
>>>>
>>>> jim m
>>>> walnut creek, ca
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:04:54 AM UTC-7 J Schwartz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I could be wrong about this, but does anyone seem to remember reading 
>>>>> one of GP's posts about them using Kasei tubing on those first 
>>>>> grey/maroon 
>>>>> (and grey/orange) Hunqs?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 11:02:21 AM UTC-4 Charlie R wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I pre-ordered one of the original Hunqapillars.  From what I can 
>>>>>> recall, the Hunquapillar was the first Taiwan built Rivendell bicycle 
>>>>>> after 
>>>>>> Rivendell left Toyo Japan.  It might have even been a Toyo Taiwan shop.  
>>>>>> I 
>>>>>> don't believe any were made by Toyo Japan.   There was a long wait 
>>>>>> period 
>>>>>> and when I finally received the bicycle, Keven told me it was made by 
>>>>>> Waterford because the order from Taiwan was just taking to long.  I 
>>>>>> remember checking the serial number and it fit with the Waterford 
>>>>>> scheme.  
>>>>>> Subsequent batches were made in Taiwan at least for a while and might 
>>>>>> have 
>>>>>> reverted back to Waterford when the batch orders stopped.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bike was the gray maroon colors.  I have a picture somewhere 
>>>>>> which I will try to find.  I will also try to find my original receipt.  
>>>>>> A 
>>>>>> fellow list member now owns the bike.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 10:08:44 AM UTC-4 John M wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: right dropout.jpg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was from my Hunqapillar with serial number "M14008".  Which I 
>>>>>>> had assumed meant the eighth frame produced in 2014 at Waterford.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:50:11 AM UTC-6 Ed Fausto wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Joe,  would you know how to determine if the frame is made in 
>>>>>>>> Toyo or Waterford?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 2:24:42 PM UTC+8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's correct, the first ones had orange and are very rare, then 
>>>>>>>>> kidney bean, then they went to the green frames. To my knowledge all 
>>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>>> Toyo or Waterford. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:04:29 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wonder if my Hunqapillar might be a prototype, and that's what 
>>>>>>>>>> the "p" designates?  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Flickr, there are several photos of the 54 cm prototype, 
>>>>>>>>>> painted gray with orange head tube.  The photos clearly show the 
>>>>>>>>>> pump peg 
>>>>>>>>>> painted gray, with white lining around it, which matches my bike.  
>>>>>>>>>> The only 
>>>>>>>>>> other gray/orange 54cm Hunq I'm aware of, has the pump peg the color 
>>>>>>>>>> of the 
>>>>>>>>>> head tube (ie, orange), as does every Hunqapillar, in any color, in 
>>>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>>>> random sample from my collection of Hunq photos.  The prototype has 
>>>>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>>>>> orange ring at the bottom of the seat tube lug, while mine is a 
>>>>>>>>>> somewhat 
>>>>>>>>>> sloppy white.  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have always assumed all of (very few) orange trim Hunq's came 
>>>>>>>>>> from that first batch.  Maybe that is not the case.  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 12:42:33 AM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would be curious, as well.  My Hunqapillar is from the very 
>>>>>>>>>>> first batch and I'm not even sure what year that was.  2011?  
>>>>>>>>>>> Taiwan?  I've 
>>>>>>>>>>> heard of Toyo and Wisconsin Hunqapillars but I'm assuming that 
>>>>>>>>>>> first batch 
>>>>>>>>>>> was from Taiwan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have four different Hunqapillar brochures, one of which 
>>>>>>>>>>> specifies the brand and number of the main tubes, but I have no 
>>>>>>>>>>> idea if 
>>>>>>>>>>> that brochure applies to mine or not.  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The serial number format is RIV"P"XXX.  I'm not sure the "P" is 
>>>>>>>>>>> actually a "P".  The paint is pretty heavy in that spot.  
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What color is your Hunqapillar?  Mine is gray and orange.  
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 11:01:27 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey y’all, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just out of curiosity... How do I know what year and location 
>>>>>>>>>>>> my Hunq was manufactured in? Any particular details I should look 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at? Is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> there a Hunq manufacturing timeline somewhere? 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikko in Oakland 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

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